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and good evening everyone welcome to

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arcane radio i'm sean the fort shop

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forker

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as always joined by lon strickler and

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our good friend butch wickowski

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gentlemen good evening welcome to

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tonight's program

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good evening sir and uh

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we got a real good show tonight guys

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dark waters returns

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for his second appearance on the program

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and knock on wood or for mike or

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whatever you got it's going to go

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oh we could you know we can only hope so

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you know

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yeah definitely i have my candles

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burning

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good we need all the good juju we can

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get

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well what a busy week it's been for most

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of us here uh

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i don't have a whole lot to write home

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about in terms of

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kind of any recent activity coming my

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way

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that being said some very interesting

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things you've posted out there this week

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on uh phantoms and monsters

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i had a brain fart there and some big

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things getting ready to go on with the

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pa bigfoot society as we kind of changed

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things up and become something a little

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different

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so uh lon kick us off so we can discuss

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some good phantoms and monsters

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well i think i told everyone that i had

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um

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you know i hadn't had time to read it

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but i had that new jersey

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devil uh well the jersey devil encounter

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that somebody wrote to me about uh

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it's actually i know it wasn't written

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to me it was actually

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uh on darkness radio and it was

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transcribed for me

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and pretty interesting story i mean you

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know you get your jersey devil sightings

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but this one's a little bit different so

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uh let me read this

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um guy said i currently live in central

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illinois

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but i was born and raised in new jersey

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the pine barrens growing up there

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we all heard the stories the encounters

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with the uh jersey

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yeah my grandma had counter along

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that pretty much anyone who's ever lived

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there there's someone who

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claims that seeing this creature now i

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even

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have a former boss who staged a prank on

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his friend

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ended up getting reported as a jersey

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devil sighting back in the 70s

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he never told his friend it was all

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prime so i think it's still an official

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sighting

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on the books um

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he said anyway i spent my childhood

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years

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riding around on my four-wheeler

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um in uh

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gentleman's territory uh no more fear

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coming across the new jersey devil that

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would come across a poorly concealed

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corpse

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dumped by the the mob uh

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fast forward to my teen years as i'm

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working on a blueberry farm in horton

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forest with my uh brother's girlfriend

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janice uh she didn't have a driver's

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license

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time so i usually ended up driving her

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back and forth to work every day

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uh we usually work well past dinner time

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in this particular story took place

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in a few days in the early days of the

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if you have sunset the farm we worked

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on was pretty deep in the middle of

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nowhere and the farm she lived on

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living deeper in the middle of nowhere

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to get to our house we had to drive

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through some pretty thick forest

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on gravel roads with no street lights it

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would freak anyone out i suppose but i

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was used to driving through the dark

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woods

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so it never you know it was never

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anything there

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really bothered me i got janet's safety

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to her house

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went inside exchanging pleasantries with

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her parents and then shortly made my way

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home

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i was on the last stretch of road before

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the main highway that would take me

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to the end of town that's when i was

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overcome with the creepiest feeling i

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can't describe it any other way and that

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i just felt like i was being watched so

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like a dumb dumb i am i stopped the car

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my uh my doors were locked and i had

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this big wrench underneath my seat

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i knew how to swing and make it hurt if

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i needed to i'm still enjoying

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ahead of me and i can't really see

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anything other than the

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30 to 40 year old rat excuse me

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road

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pretty astonishing height with these

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tall bushes lying the road

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i really couldn't see too far into the

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forest around me

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after looking for a few seconds i popped

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back in the car and popped it back in

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gear

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that's when i knew it was moving on top

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of one of these tall bushes

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i stopped the car again and immediately

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started staring in that direction

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once i focused my eyes i could clearly

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see something very large crouching on

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the top of one

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one blueberry bush i couldn't make out

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any detail as far as

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collards or facial body details but it

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was something clearly silhouetted

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bright starry sky what could make

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something larger than a man with a head

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a huge head

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sitting in a half crouched position

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almost like it was ready to spring from

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its hind legs

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i set and stare at it for what seemed

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like an eternity i was back when i had

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something that big

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could sit on top of a blueberry bush

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like that

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as i said before these bushes are tall

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bold and tall but they're

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not very sturdy they grow almost like

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garden hedge

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so anything that could anything couldn't

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possibly be sitting on top of them

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without breaking the branches of tearing

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the bushes all the hell

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in my concentration staring at whatever

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was in the bushes i accidentally let my

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foot off the clutch

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and the car stalled the engine

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uh such a stupid move i can honestly

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tell you i came very close to almost

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soiling myself right there and then this

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is

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any horror

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that your car down in the middle of the

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woods while some creatures stalking you

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anyway

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i think the sound of my car startled

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because things had whipped around

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to stare right at me just as it

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it took off in one swift motion it was

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gone for my sight

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as it was taking off i didn't exactly

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see any wings on the back but i heard a

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loud wushing sound like large wings make

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addition to hearing this i could make

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out some very

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things i used them

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and it used them and then they assumed

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wings was back to disappear from this

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site in a second since the car were now

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stalled and quiet i could hear a loud

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screech

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and bush of the air above me that grew

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fainter within seconds

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whatever this thing was it was fast it

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was powerful

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i know i weirdly kept talking about

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blueberry bushes but i swear

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they are important to this story as this

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creature is taking off from me

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those bushes almost bent in half as it

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jumped off of them

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and i sat there watching them thrash and

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sway for quite a few moments after the

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creature was gone

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to get them crashing around like crazy

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once it leaked off of them

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needless to say it freaked the hell out

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i was freaked the hell got the car

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threw it back in the gear and swung

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around the road heading back

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to the safety of janice's house all

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within moments of this thing screeching

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away from me

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i must have looked like a crazy person

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when i should showed up back in the

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house i drove over the railway ties

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in the drive left my driver's side door

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open and just barged into people's house

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i started battling the jazz dad about

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what

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i'd just seen and he called me told me i

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must have seen

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the jersey devil he drove me back to the

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that i was definitely a disturbance in

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the bushes on that side of the road

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her setting to his wife for daughters

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so they wouldn't freak out needless to

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say i let the cat out of the bag

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on it but he really didn't seem to mind

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i think he was happy to have someone

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bolster his own settings on land

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you know my question is hold on there's

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people over the years that have reported

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seeing the jersey devil

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but uh wasn't the jersey devil all just

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uh just a hoax

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oh sing uh

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i don't know exactly what it is you know

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there's it's it's

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it's been a you know

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the legendary like a baby

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that was born in the leads in the leeds

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house

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back in the mid 1700s and this thing

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grew up and

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you know there was their people machine

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had ever stepped i mean

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something on you know people's houses in

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the snow

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i've heard of all kinds of different

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sizes of it

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and you know the description is

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basically

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that it's like it's got a horse's head

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size of a deer

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and it's got hooves you know these

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things just aren't supposed to exist in

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these

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deformities i mean that's one genetic

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freak

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if that's really what we're dealing with

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here and perhaps

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there's an element of fantasy about it

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perhaps there is something there

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we may have to check it out one day i

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mean in the pine barrens it wouldn't be

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that uncommon to find a dead body from

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the mob but

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uh what these folks seeing definitely

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you know i i think i think the sightings

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are interesting they're uh

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you know not long somebody supposedly

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have gotten a picture of one of these

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things

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um and basically it kind of looked

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kind of looked like a goat with wings

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yeah that's the problem with technology

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today though

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is that uh you know photoshop is getting

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better and better

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so i don't know you can't rely on photos

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no siroid cam

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you know nothing i mean i

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butch what's your take

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i don't know it's been a long time since

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i read that story but

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i kind of remember it as being um a hoax

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photo of the creature but

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you know you i'm not too apt to say that

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stuff as quick as i used to

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there's just some things out there that

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yeah that's for sure i mean the more and

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more we uh you know talk about these

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things each and every week and we get

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the reports and we

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we go over this stuff you know some

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weeks i'm really torn about some stuff

298
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being incredibly good and some weeks i'm

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like huh

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i don't know i guess it's just what we

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deal with on a weekly basis

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through here on a daily basis i mean you

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get this stuff all the time

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so but at some point i guess we need to

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start

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getting some some information uh

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together

308
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and uh maybe going out and investigating

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one of these for ourselves

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well yeah i mean it's been a while since

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i've been in that area but i tell you

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for whatever reason i'm getting some

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uh but yeah we're gonna have to go out

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and investigate some of these and i

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think it's gonna be uh

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i think we're gonna have a lot of fun

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doing it i mean butch you've been all

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over the state so far anyhow

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investigating

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uh the recent dog man sightings and and

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really getting out there and checking

322
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out areas and finding interesting things

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well right now we're just doing the

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preliminary work which is you know find

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locations see where we're going to set

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up

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talk to some people talk to some

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witnesses take some photographs

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look at some toppo areas see if we can

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put any connections between you know

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one siding to another and then actually

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when the weather cools off which will be

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pretty much you know

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ended the last week of september or

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starting in early october the first week

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then we're going to hit it hard

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and we'll be out staying at well the

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first six places i have picked out

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and we'll probably be gone for about a

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week week and a half maybe now is this

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just because those are

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this that time seems to be when these

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sightings are happening more often or

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well yeah it's you know that over the

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summer

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it dropped off and you know when we

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first got the first one it was november

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and then you know they followed up with

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another one that was a little later but

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still

351
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winter so i'm not

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real easy with walking in the woods

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where i can't see i mean some of these

354
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wooded areas are so

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thick with the leaves and stuff now i

356
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mean you can't even see and you

357
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you look into the wooded area and it's

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like looking into a dark closet

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i mean you can't see anything so

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hopefully with with the brush and the

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trees

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uh shedding and stuff like that we'll

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get

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um a better view and um may be able to

365
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spot a few places that we didn't see

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before

367
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and right now in the one area um there's

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quite a number of caves and old mines

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which are very close to two

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very good sighting reports uh so

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uh we're gonna concentrate on those two

372
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first

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and um uh the one gentleman

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uh is going to put us in the direction

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of the mines and caves which are not far

376
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from

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the sighting at all

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[Music]

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i think people forget how remote some

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parts of pennsylvania really are

381
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oh man butch until they get out there

382
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i'm and when you look at some of these

383
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dogman sightings at the time of year

384
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uh you know foliage is usually down but

385
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that does not stop

386
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the thickness of some of the brush uh in

387
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terms of just a density of stick

388
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and uh you know you really lose

389
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your uh depth of field and your line of

390
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sight pretty quickly still i mean some

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of that underbrush is still

392
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really thick whether it's alive or not

393
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oh yeah

394
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and uh some of those bushes you know

395
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they're four

396
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five six foot tall and you know they

397
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don't do anything

398
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they're just there and they can obscure

399
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you just like looking at through a bunch

400
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of trees i mean it's like you said you

401
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lose your line of sight you lose your

402
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depth perception

403
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and the same thing is going to happen

404
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with cameras so um

405
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with the new type of cameras we got

406
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we're hoping that we can kill that by

407
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just setting everything at infinity

408
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definitely and you know some of these

409
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sightings that uh the time

410
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sightings on these is interesting

411
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because to me they also correspond to

412
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a lot of bigfoot sightings in this

413
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particular area i mean just the time of

414
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year and you know we've speculated for

415
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some time that

416
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you know maybe that there's more of a

417
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connection between the two of those than

418
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what we originally suspected as well

419
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yeah

420
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i agree because some of the areas we

421
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have

422
00:16:08,069 --> 00:16:06,959
uh you know the historical bigfoot

423
00:16:11,430 --> 00:16:08,079
sightings in those areas

424
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is is pretty impressive

425
00:16:15,990 --> 00:16:15,120
yeah yeah it is uh i mean i'm really

426
00:16:17,430 --> 00:16:16,000
anxious to see

427
00:16:19,350 --> 00:16:17,440
uh what's going to come from these

428
00:16:19,829 --> 00:16:19,360
investigations butch i mean it's been a

429
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year

430
00:16:22,870 --> 00:16:21,120
since we've really been getting these

431
00:16:25,110 --> 00:16:22,880
reports in and

432
00:16:26,470 --> 00:16:25,120
really going over them and and uh

433
00:16:27,670 --> 00:16:26,480
reading these stories and these

434
00:16:29,189 --> 00:16:27,680
encounters

435
00:16:32,069 --> 00:16:29,199
uh it's going to be interesting to see

436
00:16:33,910 --> 00:16:32,079
what happens from these investigations

437
00:16:35,590 --> 00:16:33,920
well and one and another thing it's

438
00:16:36,389 --> 00:16:35,600
helping us out by doing the stuff now in

439
00:16:37,670 --> 00:16:36,399
advance

440
00:16:39,590 --> 00:16:37,680
it's going to let me know how many

441
00:16:42,310 --> 00:16:39,600
people we actually need to field

442
00:16:44,069 --> 00:16:42,320
yeah you know are we going to attack it

443
00:16:46,790 --> 00:16:44,079
at just one area or are we going to

444
00:16:48,790 --> 00:16:46,800
spread out over maybe a couple acres and

445
00:16:51,670 --> 00:16:48,800
you know just be radio communicated with

446
00:16:52,949 --> 00:16:51,680
and watching a much larger picture you

447
00:16:54,389 --> 00:16:52,959
know there's something funny about that

448
00:16:57,030 --> 00:16:54,399
too and that's that folks are really

449
00:16:58,949 --> 00:16:57,040
anxious to volunteer to go bigfoot uh

450
00:17:00,310 --> 00:16:58,959
uh investigating but you throw a dogman

451
00:17:02,150 --> 00:17:00,320
out there and they start reading some of

452
00:17:03,670 --> 00:17:02,160
these reports i imagine

453
00:17:05,350 --> 00:17:03,680
some of them are gonna start backing off

454
00:17:07,029 --> 00:17:05,360
like you know maybe i'm better at doing

455
00:17:08,069 --> 00:17:07,039
armchair on this than being out there in

456
00:17:09,750 --> 00:17:08,079
the brush

457
00:17:11,669 --> 00:17:09,760
i haven't i don't have a very long list

458
00:17:14,630 --> 00:17:11,679
of volunteers yeah it's a hard one

459
00:17:16,069 --> 00:17:14,640
it's uh definitely not your daddy's

460
00:17:19,350 --> 00:17:16,079
bigfoot i'll tell you that it's

461
00:17:19,669 --> 00:17:19,360
uh really you know reports of this being

462
00:17:21,350 --> 00:17:19,679
and

463
00:17:23,669 --> 00:17:21,360
not that we ever want to paint anything

464
00:17:25,909 --> 00:17:23,679
with a nefarious brush

465
00:17:28,309 --> 00:17:25,919
that being said the reports we get is

466
00:17:31,830 --> 00:17:28,319
usually accompanied by a menacing feel a

467
00:17:33,590 --> 00:17:31,840
feel of dread and that they're not

468
00:17:35,190 --> 00:17:33,600
there had been some uh there had been

469
00:17:37,909 --> 00:17:35,200
some aggressive

470
00:17:39,510 --> 00:17:37,919
behavior out of some of these things so

471
00:17:41,270 --> 00:17:39,520
that adds another dimension to this uh

472
00:17:43,750 --> 00:17:41,280
you know you're not talking about

473
00:17:45,669 --> 00:17:43,760
going out there you know at least when

474
00:17:47,029 --> 00:17:45,679
i'm bigfoot you know researching

475
00:17:48,789 --> 00:17:47,039
bigfoot and squatching whatever they

476
00:17:49,750 --> 00:17:48,799
want to call it these days there's

477
00:17:51,430 --> 00:17:49,760
always that

478
00:17:53,110 --> 00:17:51,440
you know peace of mind in the back your

479
00:17:55,190 --> 00:17:53,120
head that you know any real violent

480
00:17:57,909 --> 00:17:55,200
interactions are very uncommon

481
00:17:59,350 --> 00:17:57,919
and you know most of those sighting

482
00:18:01,190 --> 00:17:59,360
reports probably aren't all that

483
00:18:02,950 --> 00:18:01,200
credible et cetera et cetera

484
00:18:04,310 --> 00:18:02,960
but you start reading all these reports

485
00:18:05,590 --> 00:18:04,320
of dogman and you're out there in the

486
00:18:07,430 --> 00:18:05,600
woods in the middle of the night and

487
00:18:09,350 --> 00:18:07,440
it's 1am and you start hearing things

488
00:18:11,110 --> 00:18:09,360
and the next thing you know your mind's

489
00:18:15,830 --> 00:18:11,120
preparing you to be set up for a hot

490
00:18:17,750 --> 00:18:15,840
lunch so yeah

491
00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:17,760
it's a different mentality i guess and

492
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uh

493
00:18:22,070 --> 00:18:20,799
i don't know man we start you start

494
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getting people there

495
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volunteering up and i'm just anxious to

496
00:18:31,029 --> 00:18:25,520
see

497
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said it's very short

498
00:18:34,150 --> 00:18:33,200
but i i'm hoping you know that uh when

499
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we finally

500
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put out what we want to do and how we're

501
00:18:39,430 --> 00:18:37,440
going to do it that

502
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maybe we'll get some more volunteers

503
00:18:42,789 --> 00:18:41,520
because you know

504
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one of the things that somebody brought

505
00:18:47,830 --> 00:18:44,880
up was that

506
00:18:49,430 --> 00:18:47,840
if if bigfoot and this bipedal canine

507
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exist in the same area

508
00:18:53,190 --> 00:18:51,520
there may be just the goodest chance as

509
00:18:55,510 --> 00:18:53,200
photographing or finding

510
00:18:56,950 --> 00:18:55,520
you know the big color yeah but you know

511
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what i think is odd about that is that

512
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you have two what

513
00:19:01,990 --> 00:18:59,600
we could almost call them super

514
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predators competing for

515
00:19:07,669 --> 00:19:05,039
food in the same space and

516
00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:07,679
uh at some point that's a recipe for

517
00:19:11,830 --> 00:19:09,120
disaster

518
00:19:13,350 --> 00:19:11,840
but you know when you look at that space

519
00:19:15,750 --> 00:19:13,360
you know

520
00:19:17,669 --> 00:19:15,760
and that that has come up a couple times

521
00:19:18,789 --> 00:19:17,679
we come back to the part that where you

522
00:19:21,190 --> 00:19:18,799
know where you're at

523
00:19:22,630 --> 00:19:21,200
and to say you got a couple competing uh

524
00:19:26,230 --> 00:19:22,640
predators like that

525
00:19:29,909 --> 00:19:26,240
you're looking at 6 700 acres

526
00:19:30,310 --> 00:19:29,919
i mean so you know the chance of them

527
00:19:31,909 --> 00:19:30,320
bumping

528
00:19:33,750 --> 00:19:31,919
each other at the corner store is kind

529
00:19:36,549 --> 00:19:33,760
of remote

530
00:19:37,190 --> 00:19:36,559
and then again we may be all wet in that

531
00:19:39,669 --> 00:19:37,200
thinking

532
00:19:41,590 --> 00:19:39,679
yeah well i mean the thing that you know

533
00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:41,600
we have to look into is possible

534
00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:42,960
population

535
00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:46,720
uh you know numbers are are we

536
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:48,480
what's that look like you know what is

537
00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:51,200
the ratio of bigfoot per acre or

538
00:19:55,270 --> 00:19:53,520
or dogman per acre and that's something

539
00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:55,280
that we don't know we have no

540
00:19:59,430 --> 00:19:57,200
no no way of knowing any of that

541
00:20:01,990 --> 00:19:59,440
information

542
00:20:02,710 --> 00:20:02,000
yeah it could be one in that whole area

543
00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:02,720
or you know

544
00:20:06,230 --> 00:20:05,120
a small number in that entire area and

545
00:20:08,230 --> 00:20:06,240
if they're migratory

546
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:08,240
that throws something else into it yeah

547
00:20:12,870 --> 00:20:10,080
when you look at the area the area

548
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:12,880
and overall the lichen loop is

549
00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:15,440
relatively small

550
00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:18,000
and then you got to take all the towns

551
00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:18,480
and

552
00:20:28,470 --> 00:20:28,080
jump from one to the other i mean

553
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:28,480
there's

554
00:20:34,149 --> 00:20:31,679
they're all attached one way or another

555
00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:34,159
you would have to think it's possible

556
00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:36,080
that it could be one

557
00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:38,320
or it's possible that you could have two

558
00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:40,799
but we never have

559
00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:43,360
sightings that are that close in in time

560
00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:44,480
and date

561
00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:46,400
you know they're always a month apart or

562
00:20:49,510 --> 00:20:48,080
six or eight weeks apart

563
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:49,520
and then they're not very far from the

564
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:51,440
sighting that was prior to that

565
00:20:57,590 --> 00:20:54,720
i'd be anxious to know if there were any

566
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:57,600
sort of police reports of a

567
00:21:02,310 --> 00:21:00,720
unknown prowler or uh anything else

568
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:02,320
reported during those times

569
00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:04,320
like maybe close to those dates from

570
00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:05,520
local police

571
00:21:09,029 --> 00:21:07,120
well i did check i did check the

572
00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:09,039
archives in the hot spots

573
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:11,360
uh newspaper archives of anything from

574
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:13,760
missing persons to lost hunters to

575
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:16,400
uh campers having an issue with

576
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:18,799
something and i couldn't find anything

577
00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:20,799
and i would think that if if anything

578
00:21:23,909 --> 00:21:22,640
like that where somebody encountered

579
00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:23,919
somebody didn't know or

580
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:25,360
or maybe the game commission said well

581
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:26,400
it could have been a bear or something

582
00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:27,200
like that

583
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:28,720
i mean there wasn't even any reports of

584
00:21:34,870 --> 00:21:30,640
that where campers encountered a bear

585
00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:34,880
yeah and there's i don't know i just

586
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:36,400
maybe something there i don't know it's

587
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:38,640
not that i'm i'm picking anything up or

588
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:40,880
clairvoyant it just seems to me like

589
00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:41,679
that might be an

590
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:44,320
area worth exploring these small towns

591
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:46,320
don't usually have really large police

592
00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:47,360
departments they're

593
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:49,120
most of them are very rural so that

594
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:50,559
there's a

595
00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:52,159
you know what i'm trying to say there's

596
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:53,600
oh most of them most of them

597
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:56,480
are uh the you know under 3 000 or less

598
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:57,440
than population

599
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:59,600
yeah uh everybody doesn't work in town

600
00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:01,200
they work out of town

601
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:04,559
uh and um police

602
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:06,240
local police departments are sparse in

603
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:07,760
those areas exactly some of them are

604
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:09,600
only part-time and they rely on state

605
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:11,520
police or what else to

606
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:14,640
discover please to fill in the gaps and

607
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:17,120
what i'm thinking at those times is

608
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:19,440
these real remote rural towns in these

609
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:20,640
rural areas

610
00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:22,640
they could be having activity through

611
00:22:26,230 --> 00:22:24,080
this loop that we wouldn't know about

612
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:26,240
unless somebody started reporting a

613
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:28,320
strange you know a strange person

614
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:29,760
walking around on their property at an

615
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:37,270
oh yeah i totally agree and you know

616
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:38,960
even in daylight i'm not convinced that

617
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:40,240
these things don't move around in the

618
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:40,720
day

619
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:47,039
and the traveling i mean from place to

620
00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:48,720
place uh anywhere that's

621
00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:50,559
you know got dense cover you know

622
00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:52,400
sometimes that does cover let's up our

623
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:54,159
folks seeing it then i don't know i'm

624
00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:55,520
starting to get a lot of questions about

625
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:57,200
this because i really think

626
00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:00,159
there's something to this i really do i

627
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:02,559
mean the people are seeing something

628
00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:05,039
i i don't think it's a misidentification

629
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:06,960
i think they do travel i mean this is my

630
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:08,559
theory is

631
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:10,960
that i think they do either migrate or

632
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:12,880
travel

633
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:18,320
and in the case of uh here in central pa

634
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:20,320
i i think they stick to the valleys for

635
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:21,600
the most part

636
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:24,480
on these ridges and uh you know into the

637
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:26,640
valleys and moves south and north back

638
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:34,310
well a lot of the reports

639
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:37,520
are actually in valleys yeah

640
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:45,510
they go on you know down west virginia

641
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:46,240
or just

642
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:49,279
something to but they don't get too much

643
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:50,080
further than

644
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:53,520
uh north pennsylvania but it's

645
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:55,919
most mostly concentrated in the south

646
00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:57,360
and of course we get sightings all over

647
00:24:01,909 --> 00:23:58,400
the state

648
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:01,919
but you know it just seems like the

649
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:04,400
large number of sightings recent

650
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:05,039
sightings

651
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:07,919
are you know in the in the uh in the

652
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:09,440
valleys along the ridges

653
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:12,559
so i don't know if that's specifically

654
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:15,760
where they stick at uh

655
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:17,120
i don't know i don't know if it's you

656
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:18,559
know i think i think they try to

657
00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:20,320
concentrate in those areas

658
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:21,679
well i tell you what the valleys have

659
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:24,159
been really humid and warm this summer

660
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:26,720
yeah so for a large being or a large

661
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:28,559
creature it might not be that conducive

662
00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:30,000
to comfort

663
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:32,240
uh it might be in some of those uh maybe

664
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:33,520
a little bit higher elevations where it

665
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:34,960
could be just a little cooler

666
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:37,279
uh you know precipitation in in the

667
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:38,480
state's been down this month you know

668
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:40,080
half the state's under drought watch or

669
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:41,760
drought warning i know

670
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:44,080
i don't know yeah looks like when we

671
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:45,520
were up in clearfield you know

672
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:48,559
we were on the mountain and uh off to

673
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:50,640
if we were facing the mountain off to

674
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:51,760
our left there's a

675
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:53,360
a really deep valley that was an old

676
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:54,960
railroad uh train

677
00:25:01,909 --> 00:24:58,720
set up years and years ago and um

678
00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:01,919
right next to that is a uh within

679
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:05,200
20 feet i guess is it's a running stream

680
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:07,360
but to get down there there's no way you

681
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:08,960
get a vehicle down there i mean

682
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:10,320
you might make it with an atv but you're

683
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:12,159
talking about a truck or a car

684
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:13,679
or even a four wheel drive pickup truck

685
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:15,360
i don't think you can do it

686
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:17,440
but uh and it goes all the way runs the

687
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:18,880
whole length of that mountain as far as

688
00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:20,400
you can see

689
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:23,200
and when you look at a topo map i mean

690
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:23,520
it's

691
00:25:27,909 --> 00:25:26,640
you're looking at a ravine so

692
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:27,919
that thing could be running up and down

693
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:30,320
that ravine and nobody's gonna see it

694
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:32,400
because you can't see the ravine unless

695
00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:34,000
you walk up to the

696
00:25:38,950 --> 00:25:37,120
uh a pipeline that's a that was above us

697
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:38,960
and cross that pipeline and then you

698
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:40,640
know start veering to your left

699
00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:42,400
and then you know you can see some of it

700
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:43,840
but then you can see that

701
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:46,000
the old tracks go straight down into

702
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:47,279
that ravine

703
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:53,190
yeah well pennsylvania pennsylvania's

704
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:55,039
got a feature that a lot of states don't

705
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:56,159
have

706
00:26:02,549 --> 00:25:58,080
you know down in the valleys you know

707
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:06,149
in these areas and uh i mean it provides

708
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:15,590
pennsylvania is just uh like you said

709
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:17,760
it's got a lot of cover and and some of

710
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:19,039
those key areas and

711
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:20,240
you know the other thing is there's a

712
00:26:23,909 --> 00:26:22,480
lot of those power line cutouts and

713
00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:23,919
and pipeline that's running through

714
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:25,520
these things there's a lot of area you

715
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:27,200
could make it through with a

716
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:30,320
least amount of resistance and cover a

717
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:32,000
lot of ground and if these things are as

718
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:33,760
fast as they are they could do it

719
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,799
really quick oh yeah yeah

720
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,880
easily and you know like i said all

721
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:40,559
these state game lands

722
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:43,279
uh with the exception of you might have

723
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:45,120
to cross a road here or there or go

724
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:46,240
around a little borough or something

725
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:48,159
like that they're all connected

726
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:50,640
you know there's very few uh homes and

727
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:52,159
businesses or anything between these

728
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:56,630
you know just like enfield i mean you

729
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:58,320
know you can cross from one state park

730
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:59,039
and cross

731
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:00,480
the other side of penfield and you're in

732
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:06,950
but um so before i forget

733
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:08,320
what were you gonna tell us about the pa

734
00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:10,080
bigfoot society

735
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:13,039
yeah so i'm gonna break it here first uh

736
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:15,039
with everything going on in in the state

737
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:16,480
of pennsylvania and

738
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:18,880
and research going the way it is the pa

739
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:21,600
bigfoot society's changed leadership

740
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:25,120
uh once again it's restructured uh

741
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:26,880
we had our annual meeting a couple weeks

742
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:29,039
ago when we made some decisions

743
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:32,080
uh that the keystone bigfoot project and

744
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:33,679
the pa bigfoot society are going to

745
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:34,799
merge

746
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:36,799
and in order to build a stronger more

747
00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:38,320
stable future for the research in

748
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:39,760
pennsylvania

749
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:41,520
we're going to go under the keystone

750
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:44,080
bigfoot project moniker so the pbs will

751
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:46,640
now become the kbp

752
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:49,679
and uh it's gonna be a a wild time a lot

753
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:51,440
of the members are excited some a little

754
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:53,039
ambivalent of the change

755
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:55,440
uh we did it to drive some confusion a

756
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:56,720
lot of groups out there that are the

757
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,320
pennsylvania bigfoot something or the

758
00:28:02,149 --> 00:28:00,480
pennsylvania something society or

759
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:02,159
and we needed to clear it up so folks

760
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:04,640
knew exactly uh where they were going

761
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:06,799
and uh who they were dealing with and

762
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:08,240
you know try to drive away the

763
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:10,399
all the ambiguity as much as possible

764
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:12,799
and kind of built off its own legacy

765
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:14,880
uh so the changes are going to be rolled

766
00:28:18,269 --> 00:28:16,000
out incrementally so stay

767
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:18,279
tuned pabigfootsociety.com

768
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:19,840
keystonebigfoot.com

769
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:23,200
uh to be abreast of the changes um

770
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:25,520
i step down as the director i'm going to

771
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:28,080
be doing all the social media

772
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:31,679
and public relations stuff uh

773
00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:33,760
and uh we installed a new administrator

774
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:36,559
dave rupert and we got a team of uh

775
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:38,880
coordinators and a lot of investigators

776
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:40,000
that are going to be

777
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:41,440
hitting the grounds to get things done

778
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:45,120
guys i'm real excited about it

779
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:48,000
well that's so works out uh i mean there

780
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:48,640
may be some

781
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:51,360
continuity yeah and uh that's the

782
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:52,399
biggest problem

783
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:56,799
and um you know following up on reports

784
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:57,279
and

785
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:58,960
well you know how many reports we get on

786
00:29:01,430 --> 00:29:00,240
we get a lot of reports that come

787
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:01,440
through yeah we've got a hell of a lot

788
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:02,240
of reports

789
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:04,880
and sometimes that they're good reports

790
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:07,039
and other times they're bogus but uh

791
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:10,559
pennsylvania's a big state and a one man

792
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:11,360
and two man

793
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:13,360
running the whole show just wasn't it

794
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:15,279
didn't work and i'm speaking from

795
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:17,039
experience i know it just didn't work it

796
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:18,159
was overwhelming

797
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:21,360
so we broke it down and we got different

798
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:22,799
people in different areas we're

799
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:24,159
leveraging each other's strengths and i

800
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:25,279
think it's going to be the best

801
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:26,799
iteration that this group has seen in a

802
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:29,039
very long time

803
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:32,000
very good i'm excited about it but

804
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:33,919
before we get too excited our guest

805
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:35,120
tonight guys

806
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:36,640
i'm really looking forward to this one

807
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:38,799
dark waters as he is known by his

808
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:40,000
listeners and subscribers

809
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:42,320
as a master storyteller following the

810
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:43,760
traditions of the greatest oral

811
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,880
narrators

812
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:46,640
dark waters combination of southern

813
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:48,720
vernacular and true encounters

814
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:51,039
create a unique gumbo of realistic yet

815
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:52,559
entertaining content

816
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:54,159
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817
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:56,320
personality has led him to appearances

818
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:58,080
on coast-to-coast am

819
00:30:01,830 --> 00:30:00,640
darkness radio and many other paranormal

820
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:01,840
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821
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,840
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822
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:05,760
favorite in the horror and paranormal

823
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:07,200
world and you can go to youtube and

824
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:07,600
search

825
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:09,840
darkwaters to pull up his channel we'll

826
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:10,960
put his channel

827
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:12,480
on the website so you folks can get

828
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:13,840
better acquainted when we come back from

829
00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:14,880
this brief break

830
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:17,360
we'll be back with dark water stay tuned

831
00:30:24,149 --> 00:30:19,200
everybody

832
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:24,159
to arcane radio i'm shawn the forkshop

833
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:25,120
forker with

834
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:26,960
butch watkowski and launch trickler

835
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:28,399
tonight and of course we have on the

836
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:29,919
line with us

837
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:32,240
our good friend dark waters dw thanks

838
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:33,360
for joining us again

839
00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:37,200
here this i evening you having me on and

840
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:38,720
i listen to your conversations i love

841
00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:39,840
your show and i'm a

842
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:41,679
avid listener so i appreciate you having

843
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:43,760
me back and i'm ready to

844
00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:45,840
uh to do kind of a tell-all interview

845
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:47,679
with you guys so any question you want

846
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:49,520
to ask is on the table

847
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:51,760
um anything you want to know i'm not

848
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:53,039
gonna hold back tonight because i think

849
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:54,240
there's some things that need to be put

850
00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:55,679
out there that haven't been put out

851
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:56,480
there because i've been

852
00:31:00,310 --> 00:30:58,799
quiet for a while listening and it's

853
00:31:01,110 --> 00:31:00,320
crazy some of the things that are going

854
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:01,120
on so

855
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:03,120
whatever you guys have shoot i have a

856
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:05,760
couple of stories for you guys i got one

857
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:13,110
video collaboration with boeing and then

858
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:15,200
i got some personal stories that's been

859
00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:17,279
happening to me over the past two weeks

860
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:19,519
and i got a lot of stuff for you guys so

861
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:20,960
this is gonna be exciting it's really

862
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:22,159
gonna be exciting

863
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:23,840
well fantastic and of course we're glad

864
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:25,279
you joined us and we're glad you're

865
00:31:29,509 --> 00:31:28,159
an avid listener my question for you dw

866
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:29,519
and i didn't get to ask you this the

867
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:31,279
last time but uh being a master

868
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:32,480
storyteller is a pretty

869
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:34,320
pretty tough gig what got you started

870
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:36,240
what was your impetus to become

871
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:40,080
a master storyteller well i mean

872
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:42,000
the the skills of telling stories is

873
00:31:45,509 --> 00:31:43,679
something that i learned from my mentor

874
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:45,519
a guy named joe baker

875
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:49,760
in the late 90s um he was teaching me

876
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:51,919
how to communicate these communication

877
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:52,960
techniques

878
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:55,200
and he would always he had this one rule

879
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:56,640
as if you wanted to

880
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:58,240
make a point to someone you never told

881
00:32:01,909 --> 00:32:00,559
that person that point directly always

882
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:01,919
told it to him in a story because it was

883
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:03,440
easy for that person to accept

884
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:06,159
the point that you were making so my

885
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:08,559
communication style evolved into a style

886
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:10,799
i would tell a quick story from my

887
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:12,640
personal life or something if i wanted

888
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:14,000
to make a point to someone i would never

889
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:15,919
say hey don't cross that street because

890
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:17,840
there's drug dealers on the corner i

891
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:19,120
would say hey you know the last guy that

892
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:20,480
went across the street i remember what

893
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:21,279
happened to him

894
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:23,120
blah blah blah blah blah and then i

895
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:24,640
would tell a story so that's how i first

896
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:26,080
started developing my storytelling

897
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:27,039
skills then

898
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:28,640
it evolved to me hanging out with my

899
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:31,760
friends in the early 2000s and the late

900
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:33,600
2000s when we were doing

901
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:36,080
real estate and a whole bunch of great

902
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:38,000
business opportunities where money was

903
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:39,279
rolling and

904
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:41,200
drinks were flowing and women were

905
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:42,480
everywhere and

906
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:45,440
i'm a shorter bald head guy all my

907
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:46,720
friends were these

908
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:49,679
model type men six foot four six foot

909
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:51,200
five athletes

910
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:53,600
and those guys were amazingly handsome

911
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:54,559
and so

912
00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:55,760
i had to be able to tell a story to

913
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:57,440
captivate an audience in order to make

914
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:58,880
sure i got my fair share of attention

915
00:33:03,110 --> 00:32:59,440
and

916
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:03,120
time um

917
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:04,640
to tell a good story it's something that

918
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:06,880
you grow into when you develop over time

919
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:08,240
and that's how i develop those skills

920
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:09,840
now how we start talking about getting

921
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:11,200
to the

922
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:13,760
telling the kind of horror stories and

923
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:14,960
the scary things

924
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:17,679
is you know i've had my fair share of

925
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:19,600
paranormal encounters

926
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:21,679
starting from when i was a young boy all

927
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:23,440
the way up until like last week which is

928
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:24,000
one of

929
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:25,440
the last two weeks i'll get into with

930
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:27,760
you guys and

931
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:29,360
what i found is that growing up in the

932
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:30,880
city of new orleans where

933
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:33,600
you know paranormal is the normal

934
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:35,200
everyone has those kind of stories you

935
00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:35,519
know

936
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:37,519
um my business partner i was talking to

937
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:39,039
earlier they were sharing a story with

938
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:39,679
me

939
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:41,360
and people just have those stories and

940
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:42,720
those encounters and so

941
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:44,960
since there's an abundance of them here

942
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:46,480
and i have a pretty strong network of

943
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:48,080
people i decided to start sharing the

944
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:50,000
stories that people have been telling me

945
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:53,120
that grew into me deciding to

946
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:56,159
open myself and my life up to the public

947
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:58,880
and um and then take phone calls from

948
00:34:01,750 --> 00:34:00,159
people and allow them to share their

949
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:01,760
stories with me and kind of vet their

950
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:03,760
stories and see who's telling the truth

951
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:05,600
and who's crazy and who's lying and

952
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:07,039
who's seeking attention

953
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:08,240
and then turn around and share those

954
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:09,760
stories again and it's been a great

955
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:10,639
journey

956
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:12,480
it really has been i really enjoy doing

957
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:14,480
it um it's a little taxing at times

958
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:15,520
because

959
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:16,639
you're dealing with a number of

960
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:19,040
personalities and people's personalities

961
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:20,399
are different but

962
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:22,639
um it's a great thing and i made a lot

963
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:24,159
of friends all over the united states

964
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:25,440
and all over the world

965
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:27,200
um and also before i start i want to

966
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:29,679
dedicate this particular show to

967
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,800
um tandy candy tinder there's a guy

968
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:34,800
named ron who i did a story a big

969
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:36,879
doing a big for bonanza bonanza ron was

970
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:38,240
the guy whose story was

971
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:40,639
he had to go through this um he was

972
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:42,560
camping on the side of this

973
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:44,320
this uh railroad abandoned railroad

974
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:45,919
tunnel and ended up being

975
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:47,520
forced to walk through this dark tunnel

976
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:50,480
at night to flee this clan of bigfoots

977
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:51,760
that were coming down the side of the

978
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:52,800
hill well

979
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:55,760
ron's lifelong partner candy passed away

980
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:56,879
just recently over

981
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:59,680
you know about 20 days ago and uh i want

982
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:01,520
to dedicate this to candy because candy

983
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:03,599
was the reason why ron reached out to me

984
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:04,640
ron's a great guy

985
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,640
funniest guy on the planet a biker i

986
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:08,400
mean a man an american

987
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:10,400
biker chopper type guy like the kind of

988
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:11,680
guy that you want to sit down and have a

989
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:12,240
beer with

990
00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:13,680
so i want to dedicate this to candy

991
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:14,960
because that's one of the members of the

992
00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:16,079
dog water family that we

993
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:19,040
lost and uh if it wasn't for her ron and

994
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:20,240
i would have never spoke because she

995
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,150
very good

996
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:33,030
so what do you got for us man

997
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:35,589
well the past two weeks i've been pretty

998
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:37,359
quiet i haven't done a video i haven't

999
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:38,880
done much of anything

1000
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:41,520
um i alluded to this earlier so the

1001
00:35:44,069 --> 00:35:43,119
process that i have is completely

1002
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:44,079
different from

1003
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:46,079
most youtube hard narrators they go on

1004
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:48,720
reddit or they go online or they go to

1005
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:50,560
lon's website which we discovered and

1006
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:52,880
steal his story and then read a story

1007
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:56,640
well what i do is um i take the time out

1008
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:57,040
and i

1009
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:01,200
about 600 people

1010
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:02,800
close to 700 people at this point in

1011
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:04,240
time and

1012
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:06,880
and what happens is when you take these

1013
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:08,240
people's encounters and take their

1014
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:09,440
stories you open yourself

1015
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:13,119
up to this paranormal activity because

1016
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:14,400
in order to

1017
00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:16,079
really really capture the essence of an

1018
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:18,400
encounter or what happened to a person

1019
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:19,839
not only you have to talk to that person

1020
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:21,040
once you have to talk to them at least

1021
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:22,640
five or six times

1022
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:25,440
and um you open yourself up completely

1023
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:26,079
to that

1024
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:28,880
that story that person is telling you in

1025
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:30,560
order to capture their emotions and

1026
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:31,040
that's why

1027
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:32,480
i believe that my work is so good is

1028
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:34,720
because i truly focus on the person

1029
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:36,880
as opposed to the entity whether it be a

1030
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:38,560
dog man or whether it's a bigfoot or

1031
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:39,520
whether it's a

1032
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:42,079
banshee or whatever it is or ghost i

1033
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:43,839
focus on whatever that person's going

1034
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:44,640
through

1035
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,480
well about two weeks ago i get a phone

1036
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:48,480
call from a lady

1037
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:51,680
and i won't say her name and but

1038
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:53,599
she just wants to tell me stories that

1039
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:55,920
happened in pennsylvania was

1040
00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:58,079
and she's telling me about this this

1041
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:59,599
lifelong

1042
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:01,440
family curse that they've been having

1043
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:02,960
and the things that have been going

1044
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:04,320
wrong with their families

1045
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:06,160
you know year after year after year

1046
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:08,240
after year cancers deaths car accidents

1047
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:09,599
all these other things

1048
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:13,280
and um i'm in dallas i'm at a cigar shop

1049
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:14,560
smoking my cigar which

1050
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:18,400
i'm known to do and listening to her

1051
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:19,839
story

1052
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:23,520
not saying much i'm just listening she

1053
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:25,200
gets to this pivotal point which most

1054
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:26,880
people do when they are telling you the

1055
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:28,000
truth

1056
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:31,040
um if it's a process of called choking

1057
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:32,880
up and choking down you actually small

1058
00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:33,920
questions to

1059
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:35,920
kind of dig down deeper into the

1060
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:38,000
encounter so i actually very few small

1061
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:39,280
questions that get her to go a little

1062
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:40,240
bit deeper

1063
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:41,680
and she starts talking about something

1064
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:43,040
happened when she occurred when she was

1065
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:43,920
a teenager

1066
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:46,800
with this very negative entity right um

1067
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:48,560
very very negative entity

1068
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:51,920
and um she describes that to me in vivid

1069
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:52,480
detail

1070
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:56,320
her and stop

1071
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:58,160
get her to regroup herself and we go

1072
00:38:01,990 --> 00:37:59,920
through my conversation about

1073
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:02,000
the emotions of having any encounter and

1074
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:03,359
just for the record i'll share with you

1075
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:04,880
guys i tell people all the time

1076
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:06,640
our emotions are the weather patterns of

1077
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:08,160
our body this was talked to me about dan

1078
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:08,880
millman

1079
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:11,280
the peaceful warrior he's a if you ever

1080
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:12,720
seen a movie dan is like you know you

1081
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:13,760
see the movie

1082
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:16,000
you know the character that dan is but

1083
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:17,520
to talk to dan and to be friends with

1084
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:18,960
dan is just his most wonderful thing

1085
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:20,079
he's a great guy

1086
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,760
but emotions are the weather patterns of

1087
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:24,000
our body and sometimes it's rain

1088
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:25,760
sometimes it's snow sometimes it's sunny

1089
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:27,200
sometimes it's winter sometimes it's

1090
00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:28,800
spring sometimes it's fall so

1091
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:30,400
we have these emotions and i was

1092
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:32,400
explaining to her that she has to learn

1093
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:34,640
how to let the emotion pass over her

1094
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:36,640
and regather herself and then retell a

1095
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:38,079
story so

1096
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:40,240
we go through all this and finally i

1097
00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:42,160
start talking to her finally say okay

1098
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:43,599
listen

1099
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:46,240
what's going on with you and your family

1100
00:38:49,349 --> 00:38:48,240
is a generational curse i've heard about

1101
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:49,359
these before

1102
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:51,040
and it's something very old it's

1103
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:52,960
something that's very unnatural

1104
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:56,160
and so i said have you tracked back your

1105
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:57,680
family bloodline or part of our family

1106
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:59,200
from yugoslavia your partner finally

1107
00:39:01,910 --> 00:39:00,000
from italy

1108
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:01,920
and so she's like well you know there's

1109
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,599
only one person in my family like a

1110
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:05,280
great aunt that's still alive that i can

1111
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:07,119
go back and track it back so

1112
00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:09,040
i'm trying to give this woman a solution

1113
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:10,960
to her problem

1114
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:14,000
and as i'm sitting there by now

1115
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:16,560
i have these french fries and this this

1116
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:17,680
uh

1117
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:19,119
this kind of chicken strips and french

1118
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:20,560
fries and i'm eating i'm listening and

1119
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:22,240
i'm trying to give her some

1120
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:23,920
comfort this person in some way shape or

1121
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:26,640
form and

1122
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:28,640
in my mind a voice says you need to stop

1123
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:30,079
eating you need to get off the phone

1124
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:31,119
right now right

1125
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:33,680
it's i call it my i call it the spirit

1126
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:35,520
spirit of god told me get off the phone

1127
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:37,520
so now i'm like okay something's telling

1128
00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:38,560
me i need to get off the phone with this

1129
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:40,160
lady this is not good

1130
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:41,920
so i started working my way to get off

1131
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:43,680
the phone with her and i decided that

1132
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:45,760
i'm going to connect her with some

1133
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:48,000
demonologists that are part of my team

1134
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:49,760
uh kenneth and farah deal and if you

1135
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:51,119
guys have never had them on your show

1136
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:52,720
you should have kenneth on your show as

1137
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:55,040
fast as possible kenneth is amazing

1138
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:56,480
so i tell i'm going to reach out to

1139
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:58,480
these demonologists and

1140
00:40:02,069 --> 00:39:59,760
we're going to follow up with her as

1141
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:02,079
soon as i get off the phone with her

1142
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:03,440
i throw all my food away because

1143
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:05,760
something tells me to throw my food away

1144
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:08,160
about four minutes later i go to drink

1145
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:10,640
some water i had this lump in my throat

1146
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:12,160
that to the point to where i started

1147
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:13,359
choking and i hadn't been eating the

1148
00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:14,079
food

1149
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:17,119
throat because just how large this lump

1150
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:18,560
was in my throat so i'm like oh wow that

1151
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:19,520
was weird that was

1152
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:22,400
strange and crazy so i go home i go back

1153
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:24,560
to where i'm staying try to go to bed

1154
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:25,680
that night

1155
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:28,960
about

1156
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:34,960
1 30 no more than 2 30 i'm just really

1157
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:36,480
falling asleep

1158
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:38,319
and i started to get this sensation you

1159
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:40,000
know what's this there's this phase

1160
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:41,280
between when you're

1161
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:42,880
fully wide awake and when you're right

1162
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:44,640
when you're falling asleep it's this

1163
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:46,000
intermediate face i don't know what the

1164
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:47,280
real word for it is there's a

1165
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:48,640
terminology for it

1166
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:51,599
but i start to have this sensation of

1167
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:52,000
this

1168
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:54,960
finger going into my mouth to the point

1169
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:56,160
to where

1170
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:58,720
i bite down and i feel something in my

1171
00:41:01,750 --> 00:40:59,599
mouth

1172
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:01,760
and so i'm in bed with my girlfriend and

1173
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:03,440
then when i bite down i roll over and i

1174
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:04,560
reach for her because i'm thinking she's

1175
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:05,680
messing with me or something i just

1176
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:06,400
bitter

1177
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:08,000
but she's completely on the other side

1178
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:09,280
of the bed with a back turn i'm like

1179
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:10,160
whoa

1180
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:13,440
okay that wasn't normal so i'm like all

1181
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:14,800
right that's no big deal

1182
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:17,599
nothing crazy right i'm up for like

1183
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:19,359
another 30 minutes

1184
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:21,680
and i start to settle back in and go to

1185
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:22,960
sleep again

1186
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:24,800
as i'm falling asleep this fingers going

1187
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:26,720
in my nose to the point where it's in my

1188
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:28,400
nose and down my throat

1189
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:29,760
and touching my throat and i'm like oh

1190
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:31,520
no this is something touching me

1191
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:34,720
and i'm in in in that moment

1192
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:36,560
i'm reaching my hand up trying to pull

1193
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:38,800
for something and i actually feel

1194
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:40,800
a arm and i'm pulling and i'm like whoa

1195
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:42,319
so i get up out of the bed i'm like this

1196
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:43,359
is not good

1197
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:46,400
i go to the balcony i start praying um

1198
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:48,319
because i've had over and over i had

1199
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:50,240
these negative entities

1200
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:52,000
sometimes that would come towards me

1201
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:53,599
when i talk to certain people so i go to

1202
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:55,760
the balcony i pray i pray from 2 30 to 5

1203
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:57,440
30 the sun is coming up by the time i'm

1204
00:42:02,390 --> 00:41:59,119
done praying

1205
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:02,400
um the next day i talk to kenneth deal

1206
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:04,319
who's the demonologist he gives me these

1207
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:06,240
special prayers that i'm gonna do

1208
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:09,440
and i'm like okay um

1209
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,880
i'm not sure if i want to get into this

1210
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:12,240
doing these particular prayers because

1211
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:13,760
kenneth's like you have to be dedicated

1212
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:15,280
to doing these prayers because

1213
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:17,520
if you skip a day then whatever it is it

1214
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:19,680
comes back on you sevenfold

1215
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:21,280
so he's like once you start you can't

1216
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:22,880
stop so i'm like okay i don't know if i

1217
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:24,160
want to commit to doing these long

1218
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:24,720
prayers

1219
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:26,000
just from this point on i'm just gonna

1220
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:27,760
do my regular prayers when i get back

1221
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:29,280
home to new orleans

1222
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:31,680
i'm laying in my bed my girlfriend calls

1223
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:32,800
me she says hey

1224
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,319
you know i could have swore you were in

1225
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:36,480
a bed with me because as i was falling

1226
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:38,160
asleep i felt this finger rubbing on my

1227
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:40,319
face and i'm like oh no oh hell no this

1228
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:41,520
is not gonna work right

1229
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:45,280
this is not gonna happen so i go into

1230
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:48,560
a two-week um

1231
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:50,079
prayer retreat where i've been praying

1232
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:52,240
three times a day every day for the past

1233
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:52,800
two weeks

1234
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:54,480
because you have to build your hedge

1235
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,520
around you when you're dealing with

1236
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:57,119
these kind of things i haven't had any

1237
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:58,079
more of that activity

1238
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:00,800
since but it just goes to show you the

1239
00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:02,400
difference between

1240
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:04,720
you know someone who does the kind of

1241
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:05,599
work that i do

1242
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:07,280
and you know you guys do when you're

1243
00:43:10,829 --> 00:43:08,960
actually interacting with people who

1244
00:43:13,510 --> 00:43:10,839
have paranormal activity

1245
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:13,520
versus dealing with a person or going

1246
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:15,040
online and just taking a story and

1247
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:16,400
reading it there's consequences and

1248
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:17,839
repercussions for

1249
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:20,000
what we do you know and i never really

1250
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:21,200
share these things

1251
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:22,720
because for the most part i don't want

1252
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:24,240
to glorify

1253
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:26,079
the entity that did it i don't want to

1254
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:27,440
give it any more power i don't want to

1255
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:28,400
make it

1256
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:29,599
i don't want to give any more power

1257
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:31,280
because masses of people believing and

1258
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:32,640
listening to it only makes you stronger

1259
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:33,200
but

1260
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:34,880
at the same time i feel like there

1261
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:36,480
should be some warnings

1262
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:39,440
um in my experiences being shared if

1263
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:41,040
that would help somebody else

1264
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:43,599
so that was one of the paranormal

1265
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:45,280
encounters that i personally had right

1266
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:46,319
just recently

1267
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:47,520
and i want to share the other ones that

1268
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:50,560
i've had going further back um

1269
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:51,520
there was this gentleman that was

1270
00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:54,319
calling me from canada and he and i were

1271
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:56,000
talking he ended up having kind of this

1272
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:57,280
obsessive

1273
00:44:02,230 --> 00:44:00,560
personality um borderline stalker

1274
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:02,240
personality

1275
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:04,079
to the point to where when i stopped

1276
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:05,839
talking to him he would start texting me

1277
00:44:07,750 --> 00:44:06,319
and

1278
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:07,760
saying all this crazy stuff now this guy

1279
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:09,359
was in the black magic he was in all of

1280
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:10,720
the rest of his foolishness

1281
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:13,920
that he should never been in and

1282
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:15,440
it gets to a point in the conversation

1283
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:17,359
where i'm getting these aggressive text

1284
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:18,640
messages from him like

1285
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:21,040
you know if uh you think this

1286
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:22,640
conversation is over it's not over

1287
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:24,319
between you and me and blah blah blah

1288
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:25,920
blah to the point where i feel like he's

1289
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,920
threatening me and and at some point the

1290
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:29,040
entertainer

1291
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:30,880
melts away in the real person that

1292
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:32,720
people don't know kind of rises head

1293
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:34,480
rises up so the real person comes up

1294
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:36,480
i call him i'm like hey bro me and you

1295
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:38,240
have a blanket problem

1296
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:40,319
you know and he's shocked he's like what

1297
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:41,440
i said yeah i said because the text

1298
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:42,880
messages you're sending me are kind of

1299
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:44,880
aggressive and i just need to know if we

1300
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:46,079
have a problem now because you know it's

1301
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:47,280
not too much for me to get on the plane

1302
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:49,440
to come to canada so we can solve it

1303
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:50,720
completely shocks the guy right he's

1304
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:52,400
like completely like whoa okay this

1305
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:53,760
guy's crazy

1306
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:56,960
and he and i come to terms to what his

1307
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:58,880
emotions was and his thing was i was

1308
00:45:01,670 --> 00:45:00,640
worried about you because anybody who

1309
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:01,680
talks to me

1310
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:03,520
gets a visitation from this particular

1311
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:05,280
entity and i was really worried about it

1312
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:06,240
i said well i haven't had any

1313
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:07,760
visitations i'm not worried about that

1314
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:09,520
man that's just not going to work

1315
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,880
meanwhile while i'm holding this

1316
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:12,240
conversation with them sitting on my

1317
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:13,760
porch as i am right now

1318
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:15,520
so i'm talking to them we're going back

1319
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:17,200
and forth we're getting to a better

1320
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:18,480
place than we were

1321
00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:21,040
um you know 20 minutes when ago when the

1322
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:22,400
conversation started

1323
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:24,560
when these three black birds fly up and

1324
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:26,160
land on the power line right in front of

1325
00:45:30,069 --> 00:45:26,800
me

1326
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:30,079
like 2 30 in the morning

1327
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:32,560
it's not like early so it's 2 30 in the

1328
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:33,200
morning

1329
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:34,720
birds don't really fly in the dark like

1330
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:36,880
that and these are crows they don't fly

1331
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:38,800
in the dark right so

1332
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:40,400
i don't i rarely see a bird out at night

1333
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:42,319
anyway so they land on the power line

1334
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:44,319
i'm like okay now that's weird

1335
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,079
but i'm not gonna freak out about it so

1336
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:48,240
i get up grab a cigar nub

1337
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:49,680
go on like go out my porch door and

1338
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:52,319
throw it at them and they fly off

1339
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:55,040
that night i go to bed and when i'm in a

1340
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:56,640
bed

1341
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:58,880
i'm i'm ha i'm pretty much sleep i'm

1342
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:00,800
like right after you fall asleep

1343
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:02,560
i'm going into la la land i think i was

1344
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:05,040
having a dream about um

1345
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:06,400
like a dream about being a football

1346
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:07,440
player or something like i think i was

1347
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:08,880
on a saints team blocking a kick or

1348
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:10,480
something it was a crazy dream it was

1349
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:11,040
like just

1350
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:13,760
just just completely random most random

1351
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:15,200
dream you can have

1352
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:16,720
and i have this feeling that someone's

1353
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:18,240
at the foot of my bed

1354
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:21,280
and when i open my eyes there's this

1355
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:21,839
figure

1356
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:24,880
kind of like black but not black kind of

1357
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:25,440
misty

1358
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:26,960
figure at the foot of my bed no my eyes

1359
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,880
and i'm like yo whoa look at that

1360
00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:30,400
there's something at the front of my bed

1361
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:32,079
so i close my eyes again like man that's

1362
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:34,400
i'm dreaming open my eyes back up it's

1363
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:36,000
there again and i'm like okay this is

1364
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:36,880
getting out of hand

1365
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:38,480
i get out of bed get on my knees and i

1366
00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:41,040
start praying when i look back it's gone

1367
00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:44,079
and so there are these times when

1368
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:47,119
doing what i do becomes dangerous from a

1369
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:48,400
spiritual perspective if you're not

1370
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:49,280
prepared

1371
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:50,560
and you don't protect yourself

1372
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:53,040
spiritually because you actually open

1373
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:54,800
yourself up to these entities because

1374
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:56,160
you're talking to people

1375
00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:58,880
and quite naturally what i've discovered

1376
00:47:01,589 --> 00:46:59,440
is that

1377
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:01,599
you know keeping my heads of protection

1378
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:03,040
very strong is something that i

1379
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:04,720
absolutely have to do

1380
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:06,160
and so like the past two weeks i think

1381
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:07,920
i've taken like two phone calls

1382
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:09,280
like people like dark waters what's

1383
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:10,480
going on with you we haven't heard from

1384
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:12,079
you you know are you all right

1385
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:13,760
and this and this and sometimes you have

1386
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:16,079
to pull back in order to protect

1387
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:17,520
yourself because

1388
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:19,680
um what i'm doing is really is a service

1389
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:20,720
for people i didn't

1390
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:21,920
i didn't intend for it to get to the

1391
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:23,359
point where i was kind of like dealing

1392
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:24,079
with

1393
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:26,160
robotic entities and all this other

1394
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:27,520
stuff i still don't want to do that

1395
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:29,119
because that's just not my interest

1396
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:31,520
but you know there are consequences for

1397
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:32,880
each and every action

1398
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:34,400
so that's some of the things that have

1399
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:36,240
been going on with me um

1400
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:37,760
and that explains a little bit of lana

1401
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:39,359
why that video that we talked about is a

1402
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:40,960
little bit slower because

1403
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:43,119
i wanted to complete that time frame of

1404
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:45,280
prayer before i even started talking

1405
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:45,920
again

1406
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:47,280
because the minute i started talking

1407
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:48,880
again i start talking about these things

1408
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:50,720
again you know

1409
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:52,240
well you know i've been through that

1410
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:00,309
psychic attack is nothing unusual

1411
00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:04,000
and it's not a move but many

1412
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:05,920
times it's just not psychic attack it's

1413
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:07,440
an empty attack

1414
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:11,200
and i had been attacked many times

1415
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:13,920
while helping people you know with their

1416
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:14,720
spiritual

1417
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:18,880
problems and such and uh

1418
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:21,599
you know you're you're you can be

1419
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:24,079
physically attacked as well

1420
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:26,079
and uh that's something i've told people

1421
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:27,440
about before

1422
00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:31,040
and you do need to protect yourself and

1423
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:34,640
i have found that when i take stories

1424
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:35,599
from people

1425
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:37,760
regardless of what kind of paranormal

1426
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:38,800
activity

1427
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,920
supernatural act to anything i protect i

1428
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:43,680
prepare myself

1429
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:46,800
and i do protect myself

1430
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:48,880
so um i understand what you're saying

1431
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:53,510
yeah and you know one of the things is

1432
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:54,640
going into it

1433
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:55,760
it's kind of like going back to my

1434
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:57,520
original dogman account you know when i

1435
00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:58,880
first had that encounter

1436
00:49:01,990 --> 00:49:00,800
to a certain extent there was a little

1437
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:02,000
bit of the estimation

1438
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:03,520
of on my part it was a little bit

1439
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:05,520
underestimating what

1440
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:08,079
could possibly happen but i'm a very

1441
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:09,119
quick learner

1442
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:12,160
and i'm a quick study so you show me the

1443
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:13,440
evidence that oh you're gonna screw

1444
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:15,119
around with me then i'm oh no that's not

1445
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,240
gonna happen anymore that's

1446
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:18,720
that's just not happening so um that's

1447
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:19,280
one of

1448
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:22,319
the crazier things um and then you know

1449
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:24,960
let's talk about dogs man and and i've

1450
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:25,440
been

1451
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:27,920
listening and i've had the great

1452
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:29,440
opportunity to

1453
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:31,040
have several conversations with miss

1454
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:33,680
linda copper she is like the sweetest

1455
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:35,280
person on the planet i love talking to

1456
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:37,280
her and

1457
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:39,040
you know one of the things that that's

1458
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:40,400
been getting me and if you guys know

1459
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:41,520
this

1460
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:42,880
and to tell you the truth i have

1461
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:45,359
probably about another 50 dog man in

1462
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:47,040
college that i don't do anymore i just

1463
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:49,119
won't do the dog man encounters

1464
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:52,480
because it's one of those things to me

1465
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:54,880
now is getting to the point to where

1466
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:57,920
the monetization of the topic is

1467
00:50:03,430 --> 00:49:59,680
starting to hurt

1468
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:06,549
over proliferation of these these

1469
00:50:10,150 --> 00:50:09,359
wild and out of the box stories about

1470
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:10,160
dog man

1471
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:12,559
and i just find it hard to believe that

1472
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:13,280
you know

1473
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:15,200
right now we have on youtube about one

1474
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:17,040
two three we have about nine

1475
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:20,559
dog man shows me about six dogman shows

1476
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:21,839
that are out there that are pretty

1477
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:23,280
popular

1478
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:25,680
those six shows pretty much share guests

1479
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:27,440
from one show to the next

1480
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:29,119
those guests are telling their story

1481
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:30,559
over and over and over again and this is

1482
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:32,640
going to lead to another point later on

1483
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:34,960
but what i've discovered is the people

1484
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:37,200
who've had these encounters

1485
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:40,240
that i've spoken to less than

1486
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:42,480
10 percent of them actually want their

1487
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:44,000
encounter told

1488
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:45,599
and less than you know that less than

1489
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:46,880
five percent actually want to be

1490
00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:48,880
interviewed to a point to where

1491
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:51,520
they want to tell the story themselves

1492
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:53,040
and so i just i just think that right

1493
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:54,400
now there is and it's

1494
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:56,640
negatively affecting that the cryptic

1495
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:57,520
genre

1496
00:51:01,270 --> 00:51:00,000
that because it's such a popular topic

1497
00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:01,280
and i think that happens with anything

1498
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:02,559
at some point in time

1499
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:05,520
that people try to monetize it and then

1500
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:07,280
in a desperate attempt to monetize and

1501
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:08,800
make money off of it

1502
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:12,000
what's happening is you got these weirdo

1503
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:14,400
crazy encounters and crazy stories

1504
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:15,599
seeking in that

1505
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:17,760
just there's no way they're possibly

1506
00:51:21,910 --> 00:51:20,160
true you know there's there's just

1507
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:21,920
no way to approximate you yeah that

1508
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:23,680
fiction gets blurred into with fact and

1509
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:25,599
then the stories are more

1510
00:51:31,349 --> 00:51:28,559
uh artificial than there any real

1511
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:31,359
emotional encounters

1512
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:33,760
right exactly and what that does is for

1513
00:51:36,309 --> 00:51:34,559
the

1514
00:51:37,510 --> 00:51:36,319
person who's really and i've had this

1515
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:37,520
people tell me this all the time the

1516
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:39,040
people who really had the encounters the

1517
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:40,960
ones that i've spoken to who won't

1518
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:43,119
who don't want me to share the story and

1519
00:51:47,190 --> 00:51:44,640
that have been really negatively

1520
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:47,200
affected by it it's almost like

1521
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:50,640
you know um it's kind of like you know

1522
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:52,800
you're belittling they're encountering

1523
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:53,839
their experience

1524
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:56,160
and making a mockery of out of what they

1525
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:57,200
went through and we're talking about

1526
00:52:02,710 --> 00:51:57,599
people

1527
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:02,720
front doors is that the creatures come

1528
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:04,880
through the front doors all kind of

1529
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:05,520
stuff that

1530
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:07,599
i don't tell because they don't want

1531
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:09,680
toad and they don't want it shared they

1532
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:12,000
just wanted somebody to kind of um

1533
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:13,680
tell the story but i just find it hard

1534
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:15,040
to believe that

1535
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:18,480
weekly and daily and

1536
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:21,119
you know that there's that much dog man

1537
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:21,680
that they're

1538
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:23,680
that many dog man encounters out there

1539
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:25,520
that people are able to share

1540
00:52:27,990 --> 00:52:26,880
i just i just don't see where that is

1541
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:28,000
coming from and i think that

1542
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:29,520
monetization of the topic

1543
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:31,440
and and linda and i talk about this all

1544
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:32,720
the time

1545
00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:36,160
it actually is hurting the topic because

1546
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:37,839
have there been aggressive encounters

1547
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:39,760
yeah you know does our government know

1548
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:40,800
about these creatures

1549
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:42,800
absolutely of course they do that's a

1550
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:44,559
simple that's just like

1551
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:46,240
a no-brainer just like we know they know

1552
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:47,839
about bigfoot um

1553
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:49,760
have they killed people absolutely of

1554
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:50,880
course they have

1555
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:52,480
um do they kill everybody they didn't

1556
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:54,319
come in contact with no they clearly

1557
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:56,800
don't are they a smart intelligent being

1558
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:58,800
yes absolutely because the simple fact

1559
00:53:02,230 --> 00:53:00,240
that they can decide

1560
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:02,240
who they're going to attack and who

1561
00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:03,520
they're not going to attack

1562
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:06,800
means that they have already transcended

1563
00:53:12,150 --> 00:53:09,760
the mindset of a traditional predator

1564
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:12,160
like a lion or a tiger who says

1565
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:13,280
i'm going to come and eat you because i

1566
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:15,119
need food it's more than just an

1567
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:15,920
instinct of

1568
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:17,440
eating food it's something that where

1569
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:19,599
they make a decision and

1570
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:22,079
the simple fact that if it's multiple

1571
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:23,760
people around in the area and you do

1572
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:25,760
something as simple as taking

1573
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:27,680
hair follicles from a barber shop and

1574
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:29,200
you've had dogmen on your property and

1575
00:53:32,549 --> 00:53:30,960
you spread the hair follicles around

1576
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:32,559
that the dog men stop coming because

1577
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:34,319
they they understand that there's more

1578
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:35,920
than one person there or more people

1579
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:37,280
coming there they leave you alone

1580
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:38,800
it's those little bitty things the same

1581
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:40,400
thing with bigfoot it's those little

1582
00:53:43,829 --> 00:53:42,160
bitty things that um

1583
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:43,839
that are that lets me know that the

1584
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:45,760
creatures of high intelligence

1585
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:47,680
and is extremely intelligent pretty much

1586
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:49,680
the same level of intelligence as man

1587
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:53,119
so to me it's like the great mystery of

1588
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:53,920
does it exist

1589
00:53:58,390 --> 00:53:56,800
does it not exist i mean once you have

1590
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:58,400
for example you take linda's work

1591
00:54:02,309 --> 00:54:00,480
lenders has almost 20 years

1592
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:02,319
of documentation you take lines where

1593
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:04,079
john has years and years and years of

1594
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:05,920
documentation on encounters so

1595
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:07,760
so the creature exists yeah absolutely

1596
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:09,440
it's gotta exist there's no way

1597
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:11,040
you can get around the fact that it

1598
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:12,720
exists i think the

1599
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:15,599
the issue really is now once we get past

1600
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:17,440
the monetization of it is

1601
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:19,359
you know how do we protect people from

1602
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:20,800
that creature

1603
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:23,599
which we all know that it can be

1604
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:24,160
aggressive

1605
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:26,559
as opposed to bigfoot who will try and

1606
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:28,319
run you out of the area and tell you you

1607
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:30,000
know get away from my family

1608
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:31,520
this creature will approach you this

1609
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:32,960
creature is aggressive so how do you

1610
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:35,040
avoid it is the real question

1611
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:37,119
and it should be the real conversation

1612
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:38,559
but like i said it's

1613
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:40,640
being sensationalized to a point to

1614
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:42,000
where it's just

1615
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:43,920
it's not doing people any good it really

1616
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:45,200
isn't it's just not doing people

1617
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:47,200
all right i have to agree with you 100

1618
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:48,880
on that because

1619
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:50,720
you know the work that we're doing here

1620
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:52,079
at pa it's

1621
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:58,870
we're out there putting stuff about

1622
00:55:03,109 --> 00:54:59,680
money although

1623
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:03,119
we just don't do that and like you said

1624
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:06,400
these dog man encounter shows that have

1625
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:06,720
been

1626
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:08,640
and it is it's ridiculous it's all over

1627
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:10,559
the place now there was a there was a

1628
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:12,400
time

1629
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:15,200
where you do very rarely saw a dog man

1630
00:55:18,630 --> 00:55:16,720
encounter

1631
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:18,640
everywhere and all of a sudden it's

1632
00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:20,559
picking you know it's just popping up

1633
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:22,559
and it's it's not that people are

1634
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:24,559
getting

1635
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:26,720
stories from people it's all you can

1636
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:32,470
absolutely i agree with you there i

1637
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:34,480
think we have uh

1638
00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:36,480
in our own way self-admittedly kind of

1639
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:38,240
been part of the problem we talk about

1640
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:39,119
this

1641
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:41,119
you know ad nauseam because it is

1642
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:43,359
interesting and it is out there and

1643
00:55:47,829 --> 00:55:46,000
i i think when we speak about it uh you

1644
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:47,839
know aside from you know just trying to

1645
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:49,200
you know the story telling part of it

1646
00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:51,920
aside we're just presenting the facts

1647
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:54,319
of these encounters but we're putting

1648
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:55,119
that information

1649
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:56,720
out there we are hounding that

1650
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:58,240
information so like you know and i've

1651
00:56:01,190 --> 00:56:00,000
said it many times on the program one i

1652
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:01,200
think we own a little bit of the

1653
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:02,960
responsibility of some of these

1654
00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:05,839
uh topics getting more and more uh out

1655
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:07,359
there and more and more mainstream but

1656
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:08,319
at the end of the day

1657
00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:10,079
these are coming in and i think we you

1658
00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:11,680
know we do have a responsibility to

1659
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:15,829
i think you definitely have

1660
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:17,839
responsibility report on i'm not as that

1661
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:18,960
is not what i'm saying

1662
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:20,319
i think there needs to be a certain

1663
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:21,920
standard level of standard and

1664
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:23,440
responsibility

1665
00:56:29,829 --> 00:56:26,720
uh uh yeah a certain standard level to

1666
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:29,839
how people handle and i'll give those

1667
00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:33,040
a perfect example um the last dog man

1668
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:34,240
story i did was

1669
00:56:37,829 --> 00:56:36,240
dog man's revenge and then i did a story

1670
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:37,839
shared to me by this gentleman that i

1671
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:39,839
vetted for two months

1672
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:41,280
that shared stories with me about

1673
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:43,119
bigfoot and dog man

1674
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:45,359
having a fight in alaska but it took me

1675
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:47,040
two months to vet that man

1676
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:49,599
and two months of talking to him hearing

1677
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:51,440
his wife and his daughters and his kids

1678
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:53,359
in the background talking to his friends

1679
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:54,319
his family

1680
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:56,640
it took two months to vet that story

1681
00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:58,319
until it was put out there because i

1682
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:59,920
felt like i was being responsible i

1683
00:57:02,549 --> 00:57:01,119
think there needs to be a certain level

1684
00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:02,559
of responsibility

1685
00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:05,359
behind what we do and what people do now

1686
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:05,680
i'm

1687
00:57:10,549 --> 00:57:08,640
not gonna make anybody do that but i

1688
00:57:12,069 --> 00:57:10,559
just have to speak out on it because

1689
00:57:14,710 --> 00:57:12,079
if there's no certain level of

1690
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:14,720
responsibility as to what you put out

1691
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:16,480
then it starts to create a problem i'm

1692
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:18,240
going to go into one of the problems for

1693
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:18,799
example

1694
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:22,559
absolutely i agree there dw um

1695
00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:24,400
what i discovered and this started with

1696
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:25,920
the last time i came on your show i

1697
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:27,040
remember i started getting all those

1698
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:28,079
emails and

1699
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:29,520
all those things from people saying oh

1700
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:31,599
you know dog waters is a fraud he's this

1701
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:32,880
you that blah blah blah you got all

1702
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:33,760
those emails

1703
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:36,960
well it seems that

1704
00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:38,880
this particular genre the werewolf

1705
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:40,240
dogman genre

1706
00:57:44,789 --> 00:57:44,000
has an excessive amount of people who

1707
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:44,799
have some

1708
00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:46,480
mental issues associated with them i

1709
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:48,319
talk to people who have

1710
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:50,640
all kinds of encounters right but this

1711
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:52,960
particular genre has the most

1712
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:55,599
crazies associated with it i don't know

1713
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:56,640
why

1714
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:58,079
and i guess it makes sense for someone

1715
00:58:02,870 --> 00:58:00,240
who says that they really want to go out

1716
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:02,880
and go into the woods and track down a

1717
00:58:06,069 --> 00:58:04,079
walking werewolf

1718
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:06,079
you got to have a few screws to lose to

1719
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:07,440
a certain extent right

1720
00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:09,599
um now if you're going out as a part of

1721
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:10,960
a research organization

1722
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:12,000
and you're saying okay we're going

1723
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:14,480
looking for prints and it's 20 30 guys

1724
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:15,839
looking okay

1725
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:17,359
that's something that's you know you

1726
00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:18,960
guys are really a research group you got

1727
00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:20,559
equipment you got this you got that

1728
00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:22,160
but for a long wolf to go out in the

1729
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:24,000
woods looking for a dog man you have to

1730
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:25,040
be loose

1731
00:58:28,789 --> 00:58:26,480
you have to have a full screws loose you

1732
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:28,799
know you know there's a couple of crowns

1733
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:30,160
missing from your box

1734
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:33,119
and what i discovered is that in that

1735
00:58:36,870 --> 00:58:34,640
particular genre if we take

1736
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:36,880
buckets of paranormal stuff there's the

1737
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:39,760
dog man bucket the bigfoot bucket the

1738
00:58:43,990 --> 00:58:42,000
banshee bucket and the ghost buckets and

1739
00:58:46,069 --> 00:58:44,000
the voodoo and hulu

1740
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:46,079
in that particular bucket it seems like

1741
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:48,160
you have this abundance

1742
00:58:52,789 --> 00:58:50,960
of craziness and i believe that it's

1743
00:58:54,069 --> 00:58:52,799
because it's encouraged because that

1744
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:54,079
particular

1745
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:58,319
topic is so uh easily monetized and it

1746
00:59:01,109 --> 00:58:59,839
really is it really is you go look at

1747
00:59:01,829 --> 00:59:01,119
youtube and you start looking at

1748
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:01,839
cryptids

1749
00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:04,000
the top crypt is on youtube monetization

1750
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:05,920
wise is bigfoot the second one is dog

1751
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:06,480
man

1752
00:59:09,990 --> 00:59:08,240
and it's rapidly catching up with

1753
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:10,000
bigfoot but if you put a bigfoot episode

1754
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:11,280
out versus a dog man

1755
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:13,040
bigfoot is gonna encompass it all the

1756
00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:14,880
time but i just think that it's because

1757
00:59:19,829 --> 00:59:17,040
of the monetization of it that

1758
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:19,839
it gets to that point you know and

1759
00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:21,440
that's what led me to the conversation

1760
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:22,160
you and i

1761
00:59:25,349 --> 00:59:24,640
headlined because what has to happen now

1762
00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:25,359
is

1763
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:27,280
people with certain levels of ethics

1764
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:29,680
have to be the ones that monetize this

1765
00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:30,640
because there's going to be some

1766
00:59:35,589 --> 00:59:33,040
standards with it you know um

1767
00:59:37,589 --> 00:59:35,599
you take a person like linda who's

1768
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:37,599
pretty much her life's work

1769
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:40,480
is dealing with that topic and i've

1770
00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:42,160
realized books and i've talked to linda

1771
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:43,920
linda's a great author and she's a great

1772
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:44,880
person but

1773
00:59:48,789 --> 00:59:47,520
you take her work and you hold it up

1774
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:48,799
compared to some of this other stuff

1775
00:59:51,270 --> 00:59:49,680
that's out there

1776
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:51,280
and all it does is belittle the things

1777
00:59:55,349 --> 00:59:53,520
that she says and all it does is it

1778
00:59:57,030 --> 00:59:55,359
it tears down the foundation of a person

1779
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:57,040
like her and about like you it tears

1780
01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:58,880
down the foundation of their life's work

1781
01:00:02,069 --> 01:00:00,559
and so you have to defend those things

1782
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:02,079
in some way shape or form

1783
01:00:05,349 --> 01:00:03,839
and i just think you know there needs to

1784
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:05,359
be a certain level of responsibility and

1785
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:07,440
i've sent emails to people about it

1786
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:10,079
um in the in the cryptic community and

1787
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:11,040
and telling them

1788
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:13,440
just how i feel about it because lately

1789
01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:15,119
we let these crazies leak in and then

1790
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:16,400
the crazies

1791
01:00:20,549 --> 01:00:18,720
get entitled they go from show to show

1792
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:20,559
and they cause this drama and all this

1793
01:00:23,670 --> 01:00:22,000
other strife and

1794
01:00:25,670 --> 01:00:23,680
it's just it's just insane it really

1795
01:00:26,950 --> 01:00:25,680
really really really is insane and i

1796
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:26,960
just don't think that

1797
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:28,319
that's one of the things that happens

1798
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:30,720
behind the scenes that people don't know

1799
01:00:34,309 --> 01:00:31,280
about

1800
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:34,319
you know well there's another thing in

1801
01:00:39,829 --> 01:00:37,680
my in my instance the

1802
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:39,839
these production companies that that

1803
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:41,040
makes that produce

1804
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:44,880
shows for tv are all talking me about

1805
01:00:49,510 --> 01:00:46,720
stories

1806
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:49,520
they see something i'll post on the blog

1807
01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:51,119
and then i'll start getting emails from

1808
01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:52,480
all these production companies it's

1809
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:53,680
ridiculous

1810
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:56,000
you know i talked to sean about this

1811
01:01:00,710 --> 01:00:57,119
many times

1812
01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:00,720
i mean it it they literally you gotta

1813
01:01:03,990 --> 01:01:03,440
let's put it this way i'll get a story

1814
01:01:05,990 --> 01:01:04,000
that

1815
01:01:08,309 --> 01:01:06,000
is very interesting got a lot of good

1816
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:08,319
content i i worked with

1817
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:11,280
the person you know like you say vet

1818
01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:11,680
them

1819
01:01:20,549 --> 01:01:18,630
i got three or four production companies

1820
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:20,559
wanting to use the story

1821
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:22,079
wanting to be put in contact with the

1822
01:01:27,910 --> 01:01:25,040
person and i won't do it

1823
01:01:31,990 --> 01:01:27,920
i will not do it but the biggest problem

1824
01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:34,950
oh yeah there's um there's people trying

1825
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:36,559
to steal

1826
01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:38,240
it starts off like this they contact you

1827
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:40,000
about the story then they give you a

1828
01:01:43,750 --> 01:01:41,599
certain amount of time

1829
01:01:45,109 --> 01:01:43,760
yeah then they turn around and they then

1830
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:45,119
if you don't respond to them instead of

1831
01:01:50,470 --> 01:01:47,280
my pound then they steal the story

1832
01:01:51,510 --> 01:01:50,480
that's exactly that's reported and you

1833
01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:51,520
know that's a part of the game and

1834
01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:52,000
that's another

1835
01:01:55,109 --> 01:01:53,760
reason why you have to monetize your own

1836
01:01:57,829 --> 01:01:55,119
work um

1837
01:01:59,430 --> 01:01:57,839
you know because that that gives you a

1838
01:02:00,789 --> 01:01:59,440
certain copyright claim to when they

1839
01:02:03,029 --> 01:02:00,799
start stealing it it's like hey

1840
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:03,039
hey this is mine you know so that's one

1841
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:04,720
of those things why you have to monetize

1842
01:02:08,150 --> 01:02:05,520
your own homework

1843
01:02:10,150 --> 01:02:08,160
and like in my case you know i have on a

1844
01:02:11,029 --> 01:02:10,160
table i have a tv show i have someone

1845
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:11,039
who wants to do it

1846
01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:12,480
i have like three movie scripts that

1847
01:02:16,950 --> 01:02:14,160
people want to do from stories

1848
01:02:17,910 --> 01:02:16,960
that i've investigated and this and that

1849
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:17,920
and

1850
01:02:22,150 --> 01:02:20,720
it works if if there's a manipulation

1851
01:02:24,230 --> 01:02:22,160
that they can do with you if you're a

1852
01:02:25,910 --> 01:02:24,240
person that's chasing money and

1853
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:25,920
money excites you then it's you easily

1854
01:02:28,789 --> 01:02:27,280
manipulated the way they're having

1855
01:02:30,309 --> 01:02:28,799
problems with me is because

1856
01:02:31,589 --> 01:02:30,319
it just doesn't excite me and it's not

1857
01:02:32,630 --> 01:02:31,599
you know you can't force me to do

1858
01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:32,640
something because you're dang a little

1859
01:02:37,109 --> 01:02:34,079
bit of money in my face so

1860
01:02:38,549 --> 01:02:37,119
it's one of those things to wear um but

1861
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:38,559
that's what hollywood is and that's what

1862
01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:40,000
producers do they have to get their

1863
01:02:42,870 --> 01:02:41,440
content from somewhere

1864
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:42,880
so since they have to get the content

1865
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:45,119
from somewhere you know the alternative

1866
01:02:49,109 --> 01:02:46,480
media like

1867
01:02:49,990 --> 01:02:49,119
youtube and your blog and your radio

1868
01:02:52,069 --> 01:02:50,000
show

1869
01:02:53,829 --> 01:02:52,079
are places where they get that content

1870
01:02:55,510 --> 01:02:53,839
um if they're just honest about it and

1871
01:02:57,270 --> 01:02:55,520
they they cut people good deals and it

1872
01:02:59,029 --> 01:02:57,280
really won't be an issue but

1873
01:03:00,630 --> 01:02:59,039
um that's just why you have to be

1874
01:03:03,510 --> 01:03:00,640
careful man you really really do you

1875
01:03:06,150 --> 01:03:03,520
have to be careful

1876
01:03:07,270 --> 01:03:06,160
yeah i mean it's uh it really used to

1877
01:03:09,829 --> 01:03:07,280
bug me i mean i

1878
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:09,839
it got to the point you know i listened

1879
01:03:14,789 --> 01:03:11,280
to what they had to say

1880
01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:14,799
but you know nine times out of ten i

1881
01:03:19,430 --> 01:03:16,720
didn't want to talk to him anymore and

1882
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:19,440
then they try to get you you know put

1883
01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:20,640
the witness up and i

1884
01:03:25,109 --> 01:03:22,240
i just won't do that and i tell the

1885
01:03:28,829 --> 01:03:25,119
witnesses i do tell some witnesses

1886
01:03:37,829 --> 01:03:28,839
that look if if you if this is something

1887
01:03:41,510 --> 01:03:39,589
and i've had to tell some people that

1888
01:03:44,549 --> 01:03:41,520
people that

1889
01:03:46,950 --> 01:03:44,559
you know i refuse to be a conduit for

1890
01:03:50,710 --> 01:03:46,960
somebody to make money off a story

1891
01:03:52,470 --> 01:03:50,720
it's just not gonna happen yeah i'm with

1892
01:03:54,710 --> 01:03:52,480
you on that i'm retreating on that

1893
01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:54,720
and speaking of stories i'll give you if

1894
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:56,880
i get some time we tell some stories

1895
01:04:01,910 --> 01:04:00,000
oh yeah absolutely some of the

1896
01:04:03,750 --> 01:04:01,920
i'm going to some of the newer ones that

1897
01:04:06,630 --> 01:04:03,760
i have so i actually got

1898
01:04:08,470 --> 01:04:06,640
permission now to use the location of

1899
01:04:08,950 --> 01:04:08,480
some of these crazy things i just did a

1900
01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:08,960
video

1901
01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:10,559
i started doing this thing series called

1902
01:04:14,309 --> 01:04:12,640
out of left field and out of that field

1903
01:04:15,750 --> 01:04:14,319
is equivalent to me just telling the

1904
01:04:17,109 --> 01:04:15,760
story live kind of like what i'm getting

1905
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:17,119
ready to do now

1906
01:04:21,029 --> 01:04:19,920
because all my work is typically like

1907
01:04:22,630 --> 01:04:21,039
this long format

1908
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:22,640
it sounds like a movie it's this real

1909
01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:24,480
detailed production with you know sound

1910
01:04:28,390 --> 01:04:26,160
effects and music in it

1911
01:04:29,589 --> 01:04:28,400
and it takes a person on a journey but

1912
01:04:31,109 --> 01:04:29,599
it takes a lot of time so i started

1913
01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:31,119
doing this series called out of left

1914
01:04:34,789 --> 01:04:32,480
field

1915
01:04:35,910 --> 01:04:34,799
getting on the microphone and telling

1916
01:04:37,430 --> 01:04:35,920
the story similar to what i'm getting

1917
01:04:39,510 --> 01:04:37,440
ready to do now the last one i talked

1918
01:04:41,190 --> 01:04:39,520
about a small town in mississippi

1919
01:04:43,190 --> 01:04:41,200
and a lot of the paranormal activity

1920
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:43,200
that was going on in this town

1921
01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:44,400
at that point in time i didn't have the

1922
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:46,160
permission from the gentleman to tell

1923
01:04:49,270 --> 01:04:48,000
where the town was because he wasn't

1924
01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:49,280
really comfortable

1925
01:04:52,309 --> 01:04:50,640
and he was like well let me see what you

1926
01:04:54,150 --> 01:04:52,319
do with the stories and blah blah blah

1927
01:04:55,910 --> 01:04:54,160
blah and if you represent me well then

1928
01:04:58,470 --> 01:04:55,920
we'll move forward we'll give you more

1929
01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:58,480
well he really enjoyed it he liked it

1930
01:05:01,349 --> 01:05:00,000
and he was like dude you did exactly

1931
01:05:01,910 --> 01:05:01,359
what you said you're going to do i trust

1932
01:05:03,589 --> 01:05:01,920
you

1933
01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:03,599
now just don't use my name in my family

1934
01:05:09,670 --> 01:05:06,880
name so knobtown mississippi

1935
01:05:10,549 --> 01:05:09,680
is on a border of mississippi and

1936
01:05:12,630 --> 01:05:10,559
alabama

1937
01:05:15,510 --> 01:05:12,640
very very small town very very rural

1938
01:05:18,549 --> 01:05:15,520
area and the activity that

1939
01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:18,559
has been coming out of this city or this

1940
01:05:22,150 --> 01:05:20,240
little small city and the people i've

1941
01:05:25,190 --> 01:05:22,160
been talking to out of this city

1942
01:05:26,710 --> 01:05:25,200
uh it's insane the type of things

1943
01:05:29,829 --> 01:05:26,720
that they've talked to me about they've

1944
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:29,839
talked about dogman encounters bigfoots

1945
01:05:33,349 --> 01:05:32,079
um phantom cars on the road all kinds of

1946
01:05:33,910 --> 01:05:33,359
stuff so i'll get into a couple of those

1947
01:05:36,950 --> 01:05:33,920
stories

1948
01:05:38,390 --> 01:05:36,960
so we can get some good ones um

1949
01:05:39,990 --> 01:05:38,400
one of them one of my favorites that

1950
01:05:43,190 --> 01:05:40,000
this gentleman shared with me

1951
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:43,200
is about his sister um on their property

1952
01:05:46,470 --> 01:05:44,640
and in nab town in these small

1953
01:05:48,069 --> 01:05:46,480
mississippi towns most of people they

1954
01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:48,079
have like these trailer homes

1955
01:05:52,390 --> 01:05:50,400
and so it's this this this family land

1956
01:05:53,990 --> 01:05:52,400
you know we have a few acres of land

1957
01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:54,000
and they clear some land off and then

1958
01:05:59,109 --> 01:05:55,760
they put a trailer up well

1959
01:06:00,710 --> 01:05:59,119
his oldest sister was pregnant and she

1960
01:06:01,750 --> 01:06:00,720
needed more space so the family cleared

1961
01:06:04,549 --> 01:06:01,760
some land and they

1962
01:06:06,150 --> 01:06:04,559
they put up a trailer for trailers about

1963
01:06:08,150 --> 01:06:06,160
75 yards away from

1964
01:06:09,589 --> 01:06:08,160
her parents trailer enough space for her

1965
01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:09,599
to have a little privacy but

1966
01:06:12,390 --> 01:06:10,880
enough space for them to get to her if

1967
01:06:13,990 --> 01:06:12,400
they need it right so you're pregnant we

1968
01:06:15,270 --> 01:06:14,000
need to get you we can run to you but

1969
01:06:17,829 --> 01:06:15,280
you know we're not breathing down your

1970
01:06:19,029 --> 01:06:17,839
neck so one night his sister's at home

1971
01:06:20,789 --> 01:06:19,039
she's laying in the bed

1972
01:06:22,069 --> 01:06:20,799
and she's about six months pregnant

1973
01:06:24,069 --> 01:06:22,079
she's watching tv

1974
01:06:25,109 --> 01:06:24,079
and he told the story first and the

1975
01:06:26,789 --> 01:06:25,119
sister told me this story

1976
01:06:28,549 --> 01:06:26,799
so she the first time i didn't know all

1977
01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:28,559
more details this time i know a lot more

1978
01:06:30,789 --> 01:06:29,200
details

1979
01:06:33,829 --> 01:06:30,799
she's actually watching family feud on

1980
01:06:35,190 --> 01:06:33,839
tv she got a seat popped up on a pillow

1981
01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:35,200
just hanging out eating popcorn you know

1982
01:06:38,069 --> 01:06:36,640
how pregnant women do they pregnant like

1983
01:06:38,870 --> 01:06:38,079
the biggest of munchies so she's just

1984
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:38,880
munching

1985
01:06:44,470 --> 01:06:42,720
his food and

1986
01:06:46,950 --> 01:06:44,480
as she's watching tv she starts to get

1987
01:06:47,510 --> 01:06:46,960
this real real real real weird feeling

1988
01:06:49,349 --> 01:06:47,520
like

1989
01:06:50,470 --> 01:06:49,359
someone's looking at her but she's

1990
01:06:52,230 --> 01:06:50,480
looking around the room and nobody's

1991
01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:52,240
there the lights are actually on in the

1992
01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:52,559
room

1993
01:06:56,710 --> 01:06:54,480
the big like like the top like not like

1994
01:06:57,910 --> 01:06:56,720
your your nightstand like the top light

1995
01:06:59,510 --> 01:06:57,920
is on the room so

1996
01:07:01,029 --> 01:06:59,520
she's like man get just feel that

1997
01:07:02,549 --> 01:07:01,039
somebody's watching me but i'm not sure

1998
01:07:04,710 --> 01:07:02,559
who it is or what it is

1999
01:07:05,589 --> 01:07:04,720
and she gets weirded out but she doesn't

2000
01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:05,599
see anything

2001
01:07:11,029 --> 01:07:08,720
well minutes later she sees what looks

2002
01:07:13,190 --> 01:07:11,039
like a shadow coming down the wall

2003
01:07:14,230 --> 01:07:13,200
like just like a black mask coming down

2004
01:07:17,670 --> 01:07:14,240
the wall

2005
01:07:19,670 --> 01:07:17,680
um by the doorway and as this black mask

2006
01:07:20,549 --> 01:07:19,680
comes down the wall it takes into the

2007
01:07:26,069 --> 01:07:20,559
form

2008
01:07:27,589 --> 01:07:26,079
and it was she said it was like a torso

2009
01:07:29,109 --> 01:07:27,599
with broad shoulders

2010
01:07:30,789 --> 01:07:29,119
and she's looking at it and she's like

2011
01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:30,799
what in the hell is this

2012
01:07:34,789 --> 01:07:33,920
then the torso of the shadow the upper

2013
01:07:37,990 --> 01:07:34,799
part

2014
01:07:39,510 --> 01:07:38,000
leans out away from the wall and arm

2015
01:07:41,270 --> 01:07:39,520
reaches out towards her so

2016
01:07:42,630 --> 01:07:41,280
if you can imagine looking at a wall and

2017
01:07:45,510 --> 01:07:42,640
there's like a black

2018
01:07:45,990 --> 01:07:45,520
cut out of a black figure with a torso

2019
01:07:49,270 --> 01:07:46,000
it's

2020
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:49,280
turns three dimensional

2021
01:07:53,109 --> 01:07:51,119
and starts reaching out from the wall

2022
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:53,119
towards her towards her bed

2023
01:07:55,990 --> 01:07:54,720
and she jumps up hops on the other side

2024
01:07:57,270 --> 01:07:56,000
of the bed and it's freaking out like oh

2025
01:07:59,670 --> 01:07:57,280
my god what is this

2026
01:08:01,190 --> 01:07:59,680
trying to figure out what's going on and

2027
01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:01,200
the only way out of that room

2028
01:08:05,349 --> 01:08:04,079
is to run past this doorway so she's

2029
01:08:06,870 --> 01:08:05,359
standing there for about

2030
01:08:08,789 --> 01:08:06,880
a minute and a half two minutes trying

2031
01:08:10,630 --> 01:08:08,799
to figure out what to do to the point to

2032
01:08:13,109 --> 01:08:10,640
where the room starts to smell

2033
01:08:13,910 --> 01:08:13,119
and she describes it as like a sewage

2034
01:08:16,550 --> 01:08:13,920
smell

2035
01:08:17,669 --> 01:08:16,560
not sulfur but like you know raw sewage

2036
01:08:19,990 --> 01:08:17,679
and so she broke

2037
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:20,000
past the base of her bed out of the door

2038
01:08:22,709 --> 01:08:21,759
past this shadow which is reaching out

2039
01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:22,719
of the wall

2040
01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:24,400
and she runs out of trailer screaming

2041
01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:25,839
and hollering well

2042
01:08:29,510 --> 01:08:27,839
her parents hear her screaming and

2043
01:08:30,149 --> 01:08:29,520
hollering and screaming at the top of

2044
01:08:31,829 --> 01:08:30,159
her lungs

2045
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:31,839
they come out running her dad comes out

2046
01:08:34,870 --> 01:08:33,359
running with a shotgun

2047
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:34,880
um her brother comes out running with

2048
01:08:38,789 --> 01:08:36,960
another shotgun they beat her halfway

2049
01:08:40,789 --> 01:08:38,799
between that um

2050
01:08:42,149 --> 01:08:40,799
between that 75-yard distance she's like

2051
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:42,159
somebody or something's in my room

2052
01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:43,359
something's in the trailer

2053
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:44,880
they run in the trailer when they get

2054
01:08:49,590 --> 01:08:46,799
there nobody's there

2055
01:08:50,550 --> 01:08:49,600
but on a wall where they're where this

2056
01:08:54,149 --> 01:08:50,560
this

2057
01:08:57,430 --> 01:08:54,159
was

2058
01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:57,440
there's this moldy slimy substance

2059
01:09:00,789 --> 01:08:59,440
that i don't know what it was or what it

2060
01:09:01,749 --> 01:09:00,799
describes but he said it was like a

2061
01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:01,759
grainy wet

2062
01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:04,319
mold that was on the wall but it was in

2063
01:09:08,550 --> 01:09:05,359
the figure

2064
01:09:09,749 --> 01:09:08,560
of a male's upper torso so quite

2065
01:09:12,309 --> 01:09:09,759
naturally

2066
01:09:14,870 --> 01:09:12,319
she never ever went back to that trailer

2067
01:09:17,189 --> 01:09:14,880
they boarded it up close it up

2068
01:09:19,269 --> 01:09:17,199
and she moved back in with her parents

2069
01:09:21,510 --> 01:09:19,279
so that was one of the first encounters

2070
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:21,520
that happened to this particular family

2071
01:09:25,510 --> 01:09:24,640
on that piece of property their

2072
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:25,520
neighbors

2073
01:09:29,749 --> 01:09:28,080
who are about a mile down and these

2074
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:29,759
houses are spread these last pieces of

2075
01:09:32,550 --> 01:09:31,440
property spread pretty far apart

2076
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:32,560
i ended up talking to one of the

2077
01:09:35,829 --> 01:09:34,640
neighbors after i did the first story

2078
01:09:37,110 --> 01:09:35,839
because they're like oh you you know you

2079
01:09:37,990 --> 01:09:37,120
telling the stories you can keep the

2080
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:38,000
people private

2081
01:09:41,910 --> 01:09:40,560
you know we'll tell you more stories the

2082
01:09:45,510 --> 01:09:41,920
neighbor tells me a story

2083
01:09:47,669 --> 01:09:45,520
which is crazy she's in her kitchen

2084
01:09:51,349 --> 01:09:47,679
washing dishes

2085
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:51,359
and her trailer which to me i like to

2086
01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:52,319
use the word house but

2087
01:09:55,350 --> 01:09:54,159
to be more accurate i have to describe

2088
01:09:56,470 --> 01:09:55,360
it as a trailer it's easier for me to

2089
01:09:59,030 --> 01:09:56,480
see the warehouse but

2090
01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:59,040
a trailer home um she's in a trailer

2091
01:10:03,830 --> 01:10:01,440
home she's washing dishes

2092
01:10:04,870 --> 01:10:03,840
and she starts to stack all the dishes

2093
01:10:07,110 --> 01:10:04,880
in the cabinet

2094
01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:07,120
she leaves she goes to the restroom they

2095
01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:08,640
use the bathroom comes back all the

2096
01:10:12,310 --> 01:10:09,600
dishes are back

2097
01:10:14,070 --> 01:10:12,320
on the counter and she's like okay i

2098
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:14,080
know i just put these dishes up

2099
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:16,560
but i don't know what's going on she

2100
01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:18,320
does it again put the dishes up gross

2101
01:10:21,030 --> 01:10:19,360
bed

2102
01:10:23,110 --> 01:10:21,040
every day this lady started having this

2103
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:23,120
crazy paranormal activity

2104
01:10:26,630 --> 01:10:25,600
doors being open left open that would

2105
01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:26,640
close

2106
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:29,760
um her dishwasher turning on on its own

2107
01:10:33,270 --> 01:10:31,280
the washing machine turning on its own

2108
01:10:34,390 --> 01:10:33,280
just all this crazy crap that was

2109
01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:34,400
happening at the house

2110
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:37,199
so she talks to one of these gentlemen

2111
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:39,120
that is not a priest but a preacher and

2112
01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:40,320
a preacher tells her hey

2113
01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:42,560
you need to turn a recorder on when you

2114
01:10:45,189 --> 01:10:43,600
leave your house

2115
01:10:46,870 --> 01:10:45,199
so you can hear what's going on when you

2116
01:10:49,750 --> 01:10:46,880
leave your home when you leave your home

2117
01:10:51,350 --> 01:10:49,760
so okay she grabs her cell phone she

2118
01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:51,360
hits records she leaves it on in the

2119
01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:52,800
house and she walks out

2120
01:10:56,709 --> 01:10:55,120
and walks down the street right comes

2121
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:56,719
back 15 minutes later

2122
01:11:01,189 --> 01:10:59,760
plays the recording you hear the cabinet

2123
01:11:03,510 --> 01:11:01,199
doors open you hear

2124
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:03,520
dishes breaking you hear screams and

2125
01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:04,719
hollering and

2126
01:11:09,189 --> 01:11:07,040
crying and moaning she played this to me

2127
01:11:10,709 --> 01:11:09,199
over the phone i'm like what is that

2128
01:11:11,910 --> 01:11:10,719
and she's like this is what i recorded

2129
01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:11,920
and she's like i don't know what it is i

2130
01:11:13,990 --> 01:11:13,280
said well what was the condition of the

2131
01:11:15,750 --> 01:11:14,000
house

2132
01:11:17,830 --> 01:11:15,760
when you returned she's like nothing was

2133
01:11:19,669 --> 01:11:17,840
out of place nothing was broken

2134
01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:19,679
nothing was tampered with nothing was

2135
01:11:24,470 --> 01:11:21,360
messed with i was like wow that's

2136
01:11:26,310 --> 01:11:24,480
crazy same thing happened

2137
01:11:28,709 --> 01:11:26,320
miles and miles and miles away from here

2138
01:11:30,470 --> 01:11:28,719
up in pennsylvania where you guys are

2139
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:30,480
i had another family tell me a story

2140
01:11:32,950 --> 01:11:31,679
where they would have a paranormal

2141
01:11:34,149 --> 01:11:32,960
activity where things were moving they

2142
01:11:37,030 --> 01:11:34,159
did a recording

2143
01:11:38,709 --> 01:11:37,040
and the exact same thing happened um

2144
01:11:40,709 --> 01:11:38,719
what it was just screaming and moaning

2145
01:11:41,750 --> 01:11:40,719
and these voices coming over this device

2146
01:11:43,270 --> 01:11:41,760
that recorded

2147
01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:43,280
and it sounded like the house was being

2148
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:44,880
torn up but when

2149
01:11:48,870 --> 01:11:46,320
they looked around the house nothing was

2150
01:11:50,310 --> 01:11:48,880
wrong so i've had stories like that

2151
01:11:52,630 --> 01:11:50,320
recently i don't know what that is you

2152
01:11:56,470 --> 01:11:52,640
guys even know what that is

2153
01:11:59,510 --> 01:11:56,480
digital horning a lot of times uh

2154
01:12:03,990 --> 01:11:59,520
i mean if you know when you get the

2155
01:12:07,430 --> 01:12:04,000
evp type recordings or something even

2156
01:12:10,310 --> 01:12:07,440
like an out of box or something uh

2157
01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:10,320
and there's something not actually being

2158
01:12:13,030 --> 01:12:11,280
moved

2159
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:13,040
but just sounds like it does sound like

2160
01:12:17,350 --> 01:12:14,719
something that's normally

2161
01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:17,360
a residual haunting it's something that

2162
01:12:22,070 --> 01:12:18,960
happened before but kind of

2163
01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:22,080
works just way like on a tape recorder

2164
01:12:26,070 --> 01:12:24,000
it keeps repeating itself

2165
01:12:30,709 --> 01:12:26,080
that does happen you know it's a high

2166
01:12:37,270 --> 01:12:34,470
all the time really bad

2167
01:12:38,470 --> 01:12:37,280
battles places there have been a lot of

2168
01:12:40,709 --> 01:12:38,480
trauma and such

2169
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:40,719
these things do happen it happens

2170
01:12:43,430 --> 01:12:41,520
visually

2171
01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:43,440
in a lot of these places where you'll

2172
01:12:47,590 --> 01:12:44,880
see uh

2173
01:12:49,430 --> 01:12:47,600
uh people have seen soldiers marching

2174
01:12:50,390 --> 01:12:49,440
and it just repeats themselves you know

2175
01:12:53,830 --> 01:12:50,400
like uh

2176
01:12:56,229 --> 01:12:53,840
like on a recording yeah it's pretty

2177
01:12:58,310 --> 01:12:56,239
it's pretty wild i i've i've experienced

2178
01:13:01,189 --> 01:12:58,320
it myself

2179
01:13:02,630 --> 01:13:01,199
it's uh it's it's really wild i can curl

2180
01:13:03,990 --> 01:13:02,640
on

2181
01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:04,000
well i can tell you if i experience

2182
01:13:06,630 --> 01:13:05,600
something like that i'm gonna freak out

2183
01:13:09,189 --> 01:13:06,640
i'm telling you

2184
01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:09,199
like i'm already i was already freaking

2185
01:13:12,950 --> 01:13:11,280
out over the other stuff happening i'm

2186
01:13:14,310 --> 01:13:12,960
i can honestly tell you guys this you

2187
01:13:16,470 --> 01:13:14,320
know i was raised

2188
01:13:18,070 --> 01:13:16,480
to fear no man whatsoever feel no man

2189
01:13:19,590 --> 01:13:18,080
but god there's no fear in my heart of

2190
01:13:21,110 --> 01:13:19,600
any man i don't care how big you are how

2191
01:13:22,390 --> 01:13:21,120
tough you are how rough you are

2192
01:13:23,590 --> 01:13:22,400
you can be dealt with but when you start

2193
01:13:25,750 --> 01:13:23,600
talking about dealing with spiritual

2194
01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:25,760
forces that i can't touch

2195
01:13:29,350 --> 01:13:28,080
i can't fight without unless it's you

2196
01:13:31,189 --> 01:13:29,360
know a spiritual battle then that

2197
01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:31,199
worries me but not anymore really to be

2198
01:13:34,149 --> 01:13:32,000
honest with you because

2199
01:13:35,350 --> 01:13:34,159
now that i understand what needs to be

2200
01:13:37,669 --> 01:13:35,360
done um

2201
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:37,679
there's a much greater level of comfort

2202
01:13:40,950 --> 01:13:39,120
for me at this point in time but anyway

2203
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:40,960
back to navtown mississippi though

2204
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:44,480
another story out of now town the

2205
01:13:47,669 --> 01:13:46,000
the gentleman who was telling the story

2206
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:47,679
he goes back to when he's

2207
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:51,280
in this early 12 11 years 12 years old

2208
01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:52,560
this is back in the day when there was

2209
01:13:57,990 --> 01:13:55,280
the nintendo which was this gray box

2210
01:13:59,030 --> 01:13:58,000
where you had the slides of this big

2211
01:14:01,910 --> 01:13:59,040
look like an eight-track

2212
01:14:03,669 --> 01:14:01,920
cdn edgerack disc in and he's playing

2213
01:14:04,550 --> 01:14:03,679
tecmo bowl with his cousin and a few

2214
01:14:08,070 --> 01:14:04,560
friends right

2215
01:14:09,510 --> 01:14:08,080
and this is one that's on the uh

2216
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:09,520
out of left field but it's a good story

2217
01:14:15,110 --> 01:14:11,440
and it's actually a dogman encounter

2218
01:14:18,229 --> 01:14:15,120
well they're playing this nintendo

2219
01:14:20,470 --> 01:14:18,239
and it's about 11 o'clock at night and

2220
01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:20,480
it's time for their friends to go home

2221
01:14:23,590 --> 01:14:22,640
well the roadway that they had to walk

2222
01:14:25,990 --> 01:14:23,600
home

2223
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:26,000
was a roadway where people had said for

2224
01:14:29,350 --> 01:14:27,840
years that when they walk down that road

2225
01:14:30,630 --> 01:14:29,360
along they felt like something was

2226
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:30,640
shadowing them

2227
01:14:33,990 --> 01:14:32,080
in the bushes they would hear something

2228
01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:34,000
walking along in the tree line

2229
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:36,480
as they walk so these kids are like hey

2230
01:14:40,630 --> 01:14:38,000
it's time to go home it's late

2231
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:40,640
we're gonna walk halfway with you guys

2232
01:14:42,630 --> 01:14:41,360
and

2233
01:14:44,950 --> 01:14:42,640
when we get to the halfway point

2234
01:14:46,390 --> 01:14:44,960
everybody's gonna run so as four boys

2235
01:14:47,590 --> 01:14:46,400
they start walking out of the house they

2236
01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:47,600
got their flashlights they got

2237
01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:48,320
everything

2238
01:14:52,149 --> 01:14:50,560
they're headed out the door until

2239
01:14:53,430 --> 01:14:52,159
they're right after walking out down the

2240
01:14:55,669 --> 01:14:53,440
driveway

2241
01:14:57,750 --> 01:14:55,679
um the guy's great uncle has a cow

2242
01:14:59,350 --> 01:14:57,760
pasture and he has cows out there

2243
01:15:01,030 --> 01:14:59,360
and so they're walking and they're

2244
01:15:01,830 --> 01:15:01,040
looking over at the cows just being

2245
01:15:03,270 --> 01:15:01,840
little you know

2246
01:15:05,189 --> 01:15:03,280
young boys they're talking being

2247
01:15:06,470 --> 01:15:05,199
laughing being giggly probably laughing

2248
01:15:08,229 --> 01:15:06,480
more than they needed to and making too

2249
01:15:11,510 --> 01:15:08,239
much noise because they're afraid

2250
01:15:13,270 --> 01:15:11,520
and they noticed that in the cow pasture

2251
01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:13,280
there's a bunch of cows that are huddled

2252
01:15:16,229 --> 01:15:14,719
together because they sleep together

2253
01:15:17,590 --> 01:15:16,239
cows sleep standing up and they kind of

2254
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:17,600
get close to each other but there's this

2255
01:15:21,270 --> 01:15:18,800
one cow that's just

2256
01:15:23,030 --> 01:15:21,280
way away from everybody all the rest of

2257
01:15:24,310 --> 01:15:23,040
them and it's there but it's looking

2258
01:15:25,669 --> 01:15:24,320
directly at them

2259
01:15:27,189 --> 01:15:25,679
and they're like man what's up with that

2260
01:15:27,669 --> 01:15:27,199
cow it's just like standing there why is

2261
01:15:31,990 --> 01:15:27,679
it not

2262
01:15:33,030 --> 01:15:32,000
them so just like a 12 year old little

2263
01:15:34,390 --> 01:15:33,040
boy would do

2264
01:15:36,830 --> 01:15:34,400
they say okay we're gonna force him to

2265
01:15:39,830 --> 01:15:36,840
run over with the rest of the cow

2266
01:15:42,229 --> 01:15:39,840
and and so what they do is

2267
01:15:43,830 --> 01:15:42,239
that's the rocks at it just a brilliant

2268
01:15:45,430 --> 01:15:43,840
idea let's throw rocks at a cow which

2269
01:15:46,950 --> 01:15:45,440
you know i know people who punch cows

2270
01:15:48,550 --> 01:15:46,960
all kind of crazy stuff right

2271
01:15:50,229 --> 01:15:48,560
so pick up the first rock they go to

2272
01:15:51,830 --> 01:15:50,239
throw it at the cow and mess

2273
01:15:53,430 --> 01:15:51,840
pick up the second rock they go to throw

2274
01:15:56,229 --> 01:15:53,440
it at the cow they missed

2275
01:15:58,229 --> 01:15:56,239
the older of the boys whose 12 meg and

2276
01:16:00,630 --> 01:15:58,239
13 grabs a bigger rock

2277
01:16:01,270 --> 01:16:00,640
throws and hits what they think is a cow

2278
01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:01,280
right

2279
01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:03,600
well when they hit it it stands up on

2280
01:16:07,350 --> 01:16:05,280
two legs

2281
01:16:08,390 --> 01:16:07,360
and now you have these four boys

2282
01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:08,400
standing in the dark with their

2283
01:16:11,189 --> 01:16:09,440
flashlights

2284
01:16:13,830 --> 01:16:11,199
and this thing just stood up so it's all

2285
01:16:15,510 --> 01:16:13,840
shining lights in the direction of it

2286
01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:15,520
and when the light starts to reflect off

2287
01:16:19,830 --> 01:16:17,040
the eyes there's this greenish

2288
01:16:21,990 --> 01:16:19,840
amberish color of this eye and it's

2289
01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:22,000
seven to eight feet tall

2290
01:16:26,550 --> 01:16:24,960
and they're like oh my god what is this

2291
01:16:27,910 --> 01:16:26,560
so for a few seconds they stand there

2292
01:16:29,350 --> 01:16:27,920
and they're trying to figure out what

2293
01:16:31,189 --> 01:16:29,360
this thing is

2294
01:16:32,790 --> 01:16:31,199
and i thought was most interesting i

2295
01:16:33,990 --> 01:16:32,800
said man did you get a description can

2296
01:16:37,510 --> 01:16:34,000
you tell me a description of

2297
01:16:40,630 --> 01:16:37,520
it he was like his exact words was dude

2298
01:16:42,630 --> 01:16:40,640
all i can tell you is it wasn't bigfoot

2299
01:16:44,229 --> 01:16:42,640
because we've seen bigfoot all the time

2300
01:16:46,950 --> 01:16:44,239
bigfoot doesn't look like this

2301
01:16:49,350 --> 01:16:46,960
he said this is like a big old wolf and

2302
01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:49,360
he said it started to move towards us

2303
01:16:53,030 --> 01:16:51,360
he was like but the steps were they

2304
01:16:53,590 --> 01:16:53,040
weren't normal steps they were like

2305
01:16:55,910 --> 01:16:53,600
these

2306
01:16:56,950 --> 01:16:55,920
kind of quick leaping steps and he said

2307
01:16:59,590 --> 01:16:56,960
it was covering like

2308
01:17:01,669 --> 01:16:59,600
five and ten yards as it came towards us

2309
01:17:02,950 --> 01:17:01,679
so all we could think of do was run

2310
01:17:05,110 --> 01:17:02,960
and so he ran back to the house

2311
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:05,120
screaming his older brother comes out of

2312
01:17:08,550 --> 01:17:06,960
the front door with a shotgun because

2313
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:08,560
of course these kids are screaming and

2314
01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:09,840
this is a town where there's all this

2315
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:11,120
weird activity so

2316
01:17:14,229 --> 01:17:12,960
everybody's already gone the older

2317
01:17:15,669 --> 01:17:14,239
brother comes out of the door with the

2318
01:17:17,430 --> 01:17:15,679
shotgun as they're running

2319
01:17:19,110 --> 01:17:17,440
in the door the older brothers coming

2320
01:17:20,870 --> 01:17:19,120
out of the door and that's where the

2321
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:20,880
story left off that i told because i

2322
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:22,560
hadn't really had a good conversation

2323
01:17:24,870 --> 01:17:23,520
with the older brother

2324
01:17:26,630 --> 01:17:24,880
well i had a conversation with the older

2325
01:17:27,910 --> 01:17:26,640
brother and i said well man i know what

2326
01:17:29,990 --> 01:17:27,920
your younger brother said what did you

2327
01:17:31,990 --> 01:17:30,000
see he said man you're not gonna believe

2328
01:17:33,830 --> 01:17:32,000
this and i said well what was it he said

2329
01:17:35,189 --> 01:17:33,840
man that was a werewolf

2330
01:17:36,950 --> 01:17:35,199
i said what made you think as well he

2331
01:17:39,750 --> 01:17:36,960
said because it ran

2332
01:17:41,189 --> 01:17:39,760
and it jumped over the fence and it ran

2333
01:17:43,350 --> 01:17:41,199
across the road and back into the

2334
01:17:45,110 --> 01:17:43,360
into the bushes into the wood line and i

2335
01:17:48,790 --> 01:17:45,120
was like wow

2336
01:17:51,030 --> 01:17:48,800
and so this particular area has a lot of

2337
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:51,040
um activity i mean i see a lot of

2338
01:17:55,510 --> 01:17:53,280
activity a lot of activity

2339
01:17:57,110 --> 01:17:55,520
now at this point in time these stories

2340
01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:57,120
and stories i'm telling you from

2341
01:18:00,229 --> 01:17:58,640
when this guy's a kid this guy's my age

2342
01:18:02,709 --> 01:18:00,239
now he's in his 30s so

2343
01:18:04,470 --> 01:18:02,719
um the people i talked to recently

2344
01:18:05,030 --> 01:18:04,480
they're not talking about so much dog

2345
01:18:06,229 --> 01:18:05,040
man

2346
01:18:07,750 --> 01:18:06,239
they're talking about more bigfoot

2347
01:18:09,030 --> 01:18:07,760
encounters and they're particularly

2348
01:18:10,709 --> 01:18:09,040
talking about something else that's very

2349
01:18:11,990 --> 01:18:10,719
disturbing in this area which is a

2350
01:18:14,229 --> 01:18:12,000
phantom car

2351
01:18:16,950 --> 01:18:14,239
that tries to run people off the road

2352
01:18:18,790 --> 01:18:16,960
and the story goes that

2353
01:18:20,229 --> 01:18:18,800
um i only remember the name of the

2354
01:18:21,510 --> 01:18:20,239
roadway because i did intentionally

2355
01:18:22,790 --> 01:18:21,520
didn't remember the roadway because i

2356
01:18:24,470 --> 01:18:22,800
didn't want people to go driving over

2357
01:18:26,550 --> 01:18:24,480
there and get ran off the road but

2358
01:18:28,709 --> 01:18:26,560
the story is that nowadays when people

2359
01:18:30,229 --> 01:18:28,719
drive down this particular roadway

2360
01:18:31,830 --> 01:18:30,239
especially at two o'clock in the morning

2361
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:31,840
two to three o'clock in the morning

2362
01:18:35,350 --> 01:18:33,520
you will see these headlights coming

2363
01:18:37,590 --> 01:18:35,360
towards you and

2364
01:18:39,669 --> 01:18:37,600
i'm talking about racing towards you as

2365
01:18:41,189 --> 01:18:39,679
fast as you can possibly imagine like a

2366
01:18:43,669 --> 01:18:41,199
car is coming at you

2367
01:18:44,390 --> 01:18:43,679
and then this vehicle swerves into your

2368
01:18:45,830 --> 01:18:44,400
lane

2369
01:18:47,590 --> 01:18:45,840
to where the headlights are like

2370
01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:47,600
someone's playing chicken with you

2371
01:18:51,669 --> 01:18:49,760
like someone's coming head down at you

2372
01:18:52,709 --> 01:18:51,679
and then right when you get ready to

2373
01:18:54,229 --> 01:18:52,719
turn and

2374
01:18:55,830 --> 01:18:54,239
swerve off the road it swerves the

2375
01:18:57,270 --> 01:18:55,840
opposite direction but when you look

2376
01:18:58,870 --> 01:18:57,280
over your shoulder to see what it was

2377
01:19:00,149 --> 01:18:58,880
there's no one there it's not even a car

2378
01:19:01,110 --> 01:19:00,159
it's nothing there was just these

2379
01:19:03,030 --> 01:19:01,120
headlights

2380
01:19:05,189 --> 01:19:03,040
i actually had an opportunity to call up

2381
01:19:06,630 --> 01:19:05,199
to the sheriff's department try and hold

2382
01:19:07,669 --> 01:19:06,640
a conversation with someone there and i

2383
01:19:10,070 --> 01:19:07,679
was just like hey

2384
01:19:12,630 --> 01:19:10,080
you know i want to verify if you had any

2385
01:19:13,189 --> 01:19:12,640
weird stories or any real occurrences of

2386
01:19:14,550 --> 01:19:13,199
like

2387
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:14,560
someone trying to run people off the

2388
01:19:19,110 --> 01:19:17,040
road and the lady was like listen

2389
01:19:20,950 --> 01:19:19,120
there's a person who handles this

2390
01:19:22,470 --> 01:19:20,960
there's a department for this

2391
01:19:24,070 --> 01:19:22,480
uh i'm gonna let you talk to her i said

2392
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:24,080
well look i'm not really interested in

2393
01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:25,920
talking anybody just can you confirm yes

2394
01:19:28,070 --> 01:19:26,400
or no

2395
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:28,080
if you have reports of you know someone

2396
01:19:31,990 --> 01:19:29,760
trying to run people off the road

2397
01:19:32,790 --> 01:19:32,000
yes all the time okay thank you click

2398
01:19:36,390 --> 01:19:32,800
got off the phone

2399
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:36,400
so um sometimes i just want to verify a

2400
01:19:38,790 --> 01:19:37,360
little bit deeper

2401
01:19:40,229 --> 01:19:38,800
some of those things i can't call them

2402
01:19:41,510 --> 01:19:40,239
being like hey did anybody report a

2403
01:19:42,709 --> 01:19:41,520
werewolf you know that's just not gonna

2404
01:19:44,790 --> 01:19:42,719
work out it's just

2405
01:19:47,189 --> 01:19:44,800
that's not gonna work out but i was able

2406
01:19:48,950 --> 01:19:47,199
to verify that particular story so

2407
01:19:50,950 --> 01:19:48,960
um there's a lot of strange and weird

2408
01:19:53,910 --> 01:19:50,960
occurrences going on all over america

2409
01:19:54,950 --> 01:19:53,920
all the time there's just an abundance

2410
01:19:57,910 --> 01:19:54,960
of things that

2411
01:20:00,709 --> 01:19:57,920
can be talked about and shared at any

2412
01:20:05,430 --> 01:20:03,590
well i i can concur on that because i

2413
01:20:07,830 --> 01:20:05,440
get some really strange stuff

2414
01:20:08,790 --> 01:20:07,840
i just like the other day i got that uh

2415
01:20:12,950 --> 01:20:08,800
that flying

2416
01:20:19,990 --> 01:20:16,830
that where this uh it was a kkk

2417
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:20,000
rally and this

2418
01:20:29,590 --> 01:20:24,480
clansmen in a blue hood and cape

2419
01:20:33,830 --> 01:20:32,629
so there was a flying kkk member yeah a

2420
01:20:39,669 --> 01:20:33,840
flying

2421
01:20:42,790 --> 01:20:39,679
dutchman but this takes the cake

2422
01:20:45,350 --> 01:20:42,800
so he's a wow i i never heard anything

2423
01:20:46,470 --> 01:20:45,360
i asked people i i asked when i put it

2424
01:20:48,550 --> 01:20:46,480
in there

2425
01:20:50,070 --> 01:20:48,560
can anybody give me any idea what the

2426
01:20:52,470 --> 01:20:50,080
hell it was he

2427
01:20:54,709 --> 01:20:52,480
it was these four kids that saw it

2428
01:20:56,950 --> 01:20:54,719
because they snuck up because they saw

2429
01:20:59,030 --> 01:20:56,960
the lights in the woods and they i mean

2430
01:21:02,149 --> 01:20:59,040
there was a clearing and they saw

2431
01:21:03,910 --> 01:21:02,159
this was back in the late 50s and this

2432
01:21:05,590 --> 01:21:03,920
guy was in his 70s he was telling me

2433
01:21:09,830 --> 01:21:05,600
about it

2434
01:21:14,950 --> 01:21:09,840
and uh he said he couldn't understand

2435
01:21:15,750 --> 01:21:14,960
that this thing was flying around the

2436
01:21:17,750 --> 01:21:15,760
circle

2437
01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:17,760
yelling like a banshee what exactly what

2438
01:21:22,470 --> 01:21:19,360
he said

2439
01:21:26,830 --> 01:21:22,480
and uh so i came back there and

2440
01:21:31,750 --> 01:21:28,790
kid

2441
01:21:33,350 --> 01:21:31,760
she has heard of this before she's heard

2442
01:21:37,750 --> 01:21:33,360
of these uh

2443
01:21:42,470 --> 01:21:37,760
these type of magic ceremonies oh my uh

2444
01:21:45,830 --> 01:21:42,480
that have happened during kkk rallies

2445
01:21:48,629 --> 01:21:45,840
and i okay so

2446
01:21:50,390 --> 01:21:48,639
she's digging into some some information

2447
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:50,400
to send to me

2448
01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:52,320
so i don't know what the hell that's all

2449
01:21:56,790 --> 01:21:54,000
about but that was a new one for me i've

2450
01:21:58,740 --> 01:21:56,800
heard a lot of stuff over the years

2451
01:22:07,110 --> 01:21:58,750
we're going to be invited to the rallies

2452
01:22:10,310 --> 01:22:09,110
let's do a story from your site let's do

2453
01:22:11,669 --> 01:22:10,320
this one this is one

2454
01:22:12,950 --> 01:22:11,679
i thought this was really interesting

2455
01:22:14,229 --> 01:22:12,960
this is the one that's coming one and

2456
01:22:15,270 --> 01:22:14,239
one's coming out on a video i hate to

2457
01:22:18,390 --> 01:22:15,280
spoil it but

2458
01:22:20,070 --> 01:22:18,400
um the snowman encounter um i thought

2459
01:22:23,510 --> 01:22:20,080
this one was really really good

2460
01:22:26,950 --> 01:22:23,520
and again i cannot say this enough

2461
01:22:28,310 --> 01:22:26,960
you know when i look at your work and

2462
01:22:30,310 --> 01:22:28,320
and let's see what you've been able to

2463
01:22:31,990 --> 01:22:30,320
accomplish you know

2464
01:22:33,270 --> 01:22:32,000
you are the equivalent and you may not

2465
01:22:34,470 --> 01:22:33,280
like being the equivalent of this

2466
01:22:36,310 --> 01:22:34,480
gentleman because he's

2467
01:22:38,550 --> 01:22:36,320
extremely conservative but it's kind of

2468
01:22:40,470 --> 01:22:38,560
like you're the mad drudge of paranormal

2469
01:22:41,750 --> 01:22:40,480
activity because you've documented so

2470
01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:41,760
many things

2471
01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:44,080
it's on that level that's how it's

2472
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:45,520
extensive your work is

2473
01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:47,040
and i think that's how impactful your

2474
01:22:52,629 --> 01:22:49,440
work is to the cryptid

2475
01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:52,639
and paranormal genre um

2476
01:22:56,470 --> 01:22:54,960
because well again like i've said when

2477
01:22:58,310 --> 01:22:56,480
we started working again i just started

2478
01:23:00,310 --> 01:22:58,320
researching looking at things i found

2479
01:23:02,149 --> 01:23:00,320
over and over and over and over and over

2480
01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:02,159
again on some of these top

2481
01:23:05,350 --> 01:23:04,000
youtube narrators i found when they were

2482
01:23:06,070 --> 01:23:05,360
just stealing your work and reading the

2483
01:23:07,830 --> 01:23:06,080
story

2484
01:23:09,669 --> 01:23:07,840
and i was like man this is crazy it's

2485
01:23:10,709 --> 01:23:09,679
like you just you guys are not doing any

2486
01:23:13,430 --> 01:23:10,719
work so

2487
01:23:14,629 --> 01:23:13,440
um the snow band back to the story you

2488
01:23:15,510 --> 01:23:14,639
know i'm getting off the soapbox the

2489
01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:15,520
snowman

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01:23:19,430 --> 01:23:18,080
so this is a story that i found on the

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01:23:20,790 --> 01:23:19,440
website i thought was very good i really

2492
01:23:24,310 --> 01:23:20,800
wanted to do this one

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01:23:25,510 --> 01:23:24,320
it's about a family um and i can't

2494
01:23:26,709 --> 01:23:25,520
remember exactly what the family was

2495
01:23:27,510 --> 01:23:26,719
because again i always white watch

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01:23:29,350 --> 01:23:27,520
location

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01:23:30,950 --> 01:23:29,360
but anyway so there's the four four

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01:23:33,270 --> 01:23:30,960
member family

2499
01:23:34,629 --> 01:23:33,280
there's a son or daughter uh mother

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01:23:37,910 --> 01:23:34,639
father and

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01:23:39,350 --> 01:23:37,920
in this particular area you know people

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01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:39,360
know about this myth of this thing

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01:23:43,189 --> 01:23:41,360
called the spirit of the snowman

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01:23:44,470 --> 01:23:43,199
and according to the legend that the

2505
01:23:45,750 --> 01:23:44,480
father used to tell the kids as a

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01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:45,760
bedtime story

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01:23:50,629 --> 01:23:48,719
the the snowman was a part of a massacre

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01:23:51,830 --> 01:23:50,639
of these people in the 1700s called the

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01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:51,840
mingo people

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01:23:55,270 --> 01:23:54,000
and basically the legend goes that these

2511
01:23:57,430 --> 01:23:55,280
people were massacred

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01:23:58,790 --> 01:23:57,440
and the snowman picked the bodies up and

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01:24:01,189 --> 01:23:58,800
carried them back to this

2514
01:24:02,709 --> 01:24:01,199
burial mound that he had which sounds to

2515
01:24:03,110 --> 01:24:02,719
me like a bigfoot at the end of the day

2516
01:24:04,790 --> 01:24:03,120
but

2517
01:24:06,629 --> 01:24:04,800
this is the story just took him back to

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01:24:09,430 --> 01:24:06,639
this burial mound

2519
01:24:11,189 --> 01:24:09,440
and every winter when it gets cold that

2520
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:11,199
the snowman would come out

2521
01:24:15,270 --> 01:24:12,880
and he would roam throughout roam around

2522
01:24:17,430 --> 01:24:15,280
the area and he would make noises he

2523
01:24:18,709 --> 01:24:17,440
would do all these other things so

2524
01:24:21,750 --> 01:24:18,719
families at home the kids are at the

2525
01:24:24,310 --> 01:24:21,760
table doing homework and

2526
01:24:25,510 --> 01:24:24,320
the dad forgets firewood so he rushes

2527
01:24:27,510 --> 01:24:25,520
out of the front door

2528
01:24:29,110 --> 01:24:27,520
to go get some firewood for the house

2529
01:24:30,070 --> 01:24:29,120
and as the kids are at the table trying

2530
01:24:30,390 --> 01:24:30,080
to figure out what's going on with their

2531
01:24:33,830 --> 01:24:30,400
dad

2532
01:24:34,390 --> 01:24:33,840
with him she's like oh he's going to get

2533
01:24:35,910 --> 01:24:34,400
firewood

2534
01:24:37,750 --> 01:24:35,920
no sooner than she starts talking about

2535
01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:37,760
him getting firewood he comes flying

2536
01:24:41,350 --> 01:24:39,040
back in the door

2537
01:24:43,110 --> 01:24:41,360
grabs a chair pushes up close the door

2538
01:24:45,350 --> 01:24:43,120
push it up against the doorknob

2539
01:24:47,110 --> 01:24:45,360
and bolting and kind of bracing the door

2540
01:24:48,950 --> 01:24:47,120
goes to the seller opens the cellar gets

2541
01:24:50,629 --> 01:24:48,960
the shotgun and some shotgun shells

2542
01:24:52,790 --> 01:24:50,639
and comes and leans back up against the

2543
01:24:53,910 --> 01:24:52,800
door and tells them hey the snowman is

2544
01:24:57,110 --> 01:24:53,920
outside right

2545
01:24:58,550 --> 01:24:57,120
so the kids being kids they rush

2546
01:24:59,910 --> 01:24:58,560
upstairs to the attic where they can get

2547
01:25:00,550 --> 01:24:59,920
to a window and they can look out of the

2548
01:25:02,390 --> 01:25:00,560
window

2549
01:25:03,910 --> 01:25:02,400
and see what's out there and a few

2550
01:25:05,030 --> 01:25:03,920
minutes past five to ten minutes they're

2551
01:25:05,830 --> 01:25:05,040
out there looking and they don't see

2552
01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:05,840
anything

2553
01:25:10,629 --> 01:25:07,840
then finally they notice in a garden

2554
01:25:12,790 --> 01:25:10,639
that there's this figure

2555
01:25:14,629 --> 01:25:12,800
covered in all white hair that's moving

2556
01:25:16,470 --> 01:25:14,639
back and forth and it's squatting down

2557
01:25:17,110 --> 01:25:16,480
and digging his hands into the frozen

2558
01:25:18,390 --> 01:25:17,120
soil

2559
01:25:19,830 --> 01:25:18,400
and it would squat down and dig his

2560
01:25:20,790 --> 01:25:19,840
hands into the soil then it will get up

2561
01:25:23,030 --> 01:25:20,800
and move over a few

2562
01:25:24,390 --> 01:25:23,040
feet and squat down and dig again and

2563
01:25:25,110 --> 01:25:24,400
finally it started moving towards that

2564
01:25:26,550 --> 01:25:25,120
front door

2565
01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:26,560
and then at the last minute it turned

2566
01:25:30,950 --> 01:25:28,800
around and went back into the wood line

2567
01:25:32,709 --> 01:25:30,960
and so that family had that one

2568
01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:32,719
encounter with the snowman but

2569
01:25:36,310 --> 01:25:35,040
it looks like the the father died and

2570
01:25:37,110 --> 01:25:36,320
the mother's still living on that

2571
01:25:39,430 --> 01:25:37,120
property

2572
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:39,440
and she to this day she still hears the

2573
01:25:41,910 --> 01:25:40,400
screams

2574
01:25:43,590 --> 01:25:41,920
of this creature that they call the

2575
01:25:45,830 --> 01:25:43,600
snowman i thought it was interesting

2576
01:25:48,149 --> 01:25:45,840
because it sounded to me like a bigfoot

2577
01:25:53,030 --> 01:25:48,159
um it didn't sound like spirits it

2578
01:25:57,590 --> 01:25:55,910
virginia it was in it was a pretty rural

2579
01:25:58,870 --> 01:25:57,600
area in west virginia on top of this

2580
01:26:02,870 --> 01:25:58,880
mountain

2581
01:26:06,470 --> 01:26:02,880
and uh this mingo people were actually

2582
01:26:12,390 --> 01:26:09,830
friend supposedly from back then

2583
01:26:14,229 --> 01:26:12,400
and i don't know how old that story was

2584
01:26:17,270 --> 01:26:14,239
i mean as far as the

2585
01:26:19,830 --> 01:26:17,280
you know the snowman domingo but uh

2586
01:26:20,950 --> 01:26:19,840
man i tell you when the person told me

2587
01:26:23,910 --> 01:26:20,960
this story i

2588
01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:23,920
uh i i didn't know what to think about

2589
01:26:26,390 --> 01:26:25,440
it but yeah i think it is a i think it

2590
01:26:29,350 --> 01:26:26,400
was a bigfoot

2591
01:26:31,750 --> 01:26:29,360
i've got i forgot all about that story

2592
01:26:33,910 --> 01:26:31,760
yeah it sounds to me like it's a

2593
01:26:35,430 --> 01:26:33,920
sound to me like it's a bigfoot and um

2594
01:26:36,550 --> 01:26:35,440
it was just a good story it was a good

2595
01:26:40,310 --> 01:26:36,560
short story

2596
01:26:43,110 --> 01:26:40,320
um and you know the what i like is that

2597
01:26:44,229 --> 01:26:43,120
again for for the purpose of

2598
01:26:48,310 --> 01:26:44,239
entertainment

2599
01:26:50,629 --> 01:26:48,320
a lot of stories that i do are extremely

2600
01:26:51,750 --> 01:26:50,639
scary because i wait until i get those

2601
01:26:53,669 --> 01:26:51,760
scary stories

2602
01:26:54,870 --> 01:26:53,679
and i pass up on a lot of the regular

2603
01:26:56,950 --> 01:26:54,880
encounters so

2604
01:26:57,990 --> 01:26:56,960
i can be kind of held accountable to a

2605
01:26:59,669 --> 01:26:58,000
certain extent because

2606
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:59,679
when you listen to my content it is

2607
01:27:04,229 --> 01:27:01,199
extremely scary but to get to those

2608
01:27:05,990 --> 01:27:04,239
scary stories i probably go through 15

2609
01:27:07,669 --> 01:27:06,000
20 regular ones then i go through

2610
01:27:09,590 --> 01:27:07,679
five or six people who don't want this

2611
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:09,600
show or story share to get to that one

2612
01:27:13,270 --> 01:27:10,560
or two

2613
01:27:15,189 --> 01:27:13,280
very extremely scary stories and

2614
01:27:16,470 --> 01:27:15,199
sometimes it's just best to have stories

2615
01:27:18,149 --> 01:27:16,480
that are regular encounters because

2616
01:27:19,830 --> 01:27:18,159
every encounter doesn't lead to someone

2617
01:27:21,510 --> 01:27:19,840
shooting at a bigfoot every encounter

2618
01:27:23,430 --> 01:27:21,520
doesn't lead to chasing them

2619
01:27:25,830 --> 01:27:23,440
most encounters the creature looks at

2620
01:27:26,950 --> 01:27:25,840
them maybe makes a bluff charge and runs

2621
01:27:30,229 --> 01:27:26,960
them off and that's it

2622
01:27:31,430 --> 01:27:30,239
you know um and so it's good that those

2623
01:27:32,870 --> 01:27:31,440
kind of stories are out there because

2624
01:27:33,990 --> 01:27:32,880
there needs to be a certain level of

2625
01:27:37,590 --> 01:27:34,000
balance

2626
01:27:38,550 --> 01:27:37,600
to um the perception uh that people have

2627
01:27:39,910 --> 01:27:38,560
when they're dealing with these

2628
01:27:40,870 --> 01:27:39,920
creatures because if they're perceived

2629
01:27:42,629 --> 01:27:40,880
the wrong way then

2630
01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:42,639
a person can really get themselves in

2631
01:27:45,750 --> 01:27:44,400
danger like going out and say oh

2632
01:27:46,870 --> 01:27:45,760
bigfoot's to kill me i'm going to start

2633
01:27:47,990 --> 01:27:46,880
shooting at it well it's definitely

2634
01:27:49,270 --> 01:27:48,000
going to rip your arms off and beat you

2635
01:27:50,390 --> 01:27:49,280
across the head with them if you start

2636
01:27:51,590 --> 01:27:50,400
shooting at them right

2637
01:27:53,910 --> 01:27:51,600
if you're just going about your business

2638
01:27:55,750 --> 01:27:53,920
it'll probably leave you alone so

2639
01:27:57,110 --> 01:27:55,760
you know perception is a big thing in

2640
01:27:58,950 --> 01:27:57,120
the public's eye and

2641
01:28:00,229 --> 01:27:58,960
and again that's one thing i like about

2642
01:28:01,910 --> 01:28:00,239
your work is because

2643
01:28:03,430 --> 01:28:01,920
it's just the encounter and some of them

2644
01:28:04,149 --> 01:28:03,440
are scary some of them are just regular

2645
01:28:07,510 --> 01:28:04,159
and

2646
01:28:09,750 --> 01:28:07,520
um it's just one of those things so

2647
01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:09,760
well you know i appreciate you coming on

2648
01:28:12,149 --> 01:28:10,560
with us again

2649
01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:12,159
and you know we got to get you back on

2650
01:28:17,510 --> 01:28:14,080
here maybe we can get you on a regular

2651
01:28:19,110 --> 01:28:17,520
basis uh every few months or so and you

2652
01:28:21,510 --> 01:28:19,120
come on with us

2653
01:28:22,310 --> 01:28:21,520
and uh we can catch up on what you're

2654
01:28:25,910 --> 01:28:22,320
doing and

2655
01:28:28,070 --> 01:28:25,920
uh just sit down like this and and talk

2656
01:28:29,430 --> 01:28:28,080
i mean that was hour was a whole lot of

2657
01:28:31,110 --> 01:28:29,440
fun

2658
01:28:32,870 --> 01:28:31,120
yeah it was i appreciate you now i'll be

2659
01:28:35,030 --> 01:28:32,880
more than happy anytime

2660
01:28:37,189 --> 01:28:35,040
um i will be very very happy to come

2661
01:28:39,510 --> 01:28:37,199
back and just so everybody knows

2662
01:28:41,590 --> 01:28:39,520
um the next bigfoot bonanza video is a

2663
01:28:43,750 --> 01:28:41,600
collaboration between uh

2664
01:28:45,830 --> 01:28:43,760
myself and you and it's uh it's stories

2665
01:28:47,830 --> 01:28:45,840
from phantoms and monsters blog

2666
01:28:49,510 --> 01:28:47,840
and it's actually very very good and

2667
01:28:50,870 --> 01:28:49,520
it's good because i took i've been

2668
01:28:52,390 --> 01:28:50,880
not doing anything for two weeks but

2669
01:28:54,070 --> 01:28:52,400
listen to it over and over and over

2670
01:28:55,910 --> 01:28:54,080
sometimes i think i'm like dr dre

2671
01:28:57,110 --> 01:28:55,920
the red the uh producer when it comes to

2672
01:28:58,629 --> 01:28:57,120
this stuff because i

2673
01:29:01,430 --> 01:28:58,639
listen over and over and over and be

2674
01:29:02,870 --> 01:29:01,440
like that's not good and i start over so

2675
01:29:04,629 --> 01:29:02,880
this one is very good people going to

2676
01:29:06,870 --> 01:29:04,639
really enjoy it and

2677
01:29:07,910 --> 01:29:06,880
they're going to love it looking forward

2678
01:29:11,510 --> 01:29:07,920
to it myself

2679
01:29:14,229 --> 01:29:11,520
as outside looking in on this one guys

2680
01:29:15,270 --> 01:29:14,239
that's uh fantastic i enjoy what you do

2681
01:29:17,750 --> 01:29:15,280
now i can't wait to hear this

2682
01:29:19,669 --> 01:29:17,760
collaboration with lon

2683
01:29:21,430 --> 01:29:19,679
well thanks sean i i look forward to

2684
01:29:22,870 --> 01:29:21,440
talking to you guys again and

2685
01:29:24,310 --> 01:29:22,880
anytime you really have me on i'll be

2686
01:29:25,910 --> 01:29:24,320
back well we really appreciate you

2687
01:29:29,430 --> 01:29:25,920
coming on thanks again dw

2688
01:29:32,470 --> 01:29:29,440
folks dark waters check them out on

2689
01:29:33,910 --> 01:29:32,480
youtube lon butch anything else for the

2690
01:29:38,790 --> 01:29:33,920
night

2691
01:29:41,110 --> 01:29:38,800
no i'm good

2692
01:29:43,030 --> 01:29:41,120
next week uh though we've got a very

2693
01:29:45,590 --> 01:29:43,040
interesting show coming up

2694
01:29:46,070 --> 01:29:45,600
uh we were talking we will be talking

2695
01:29:49,750 --> 01:29:46,080
about the

2696
01:29:50,790 --> 01:29:49,760
zozo phenomenon uh new book just came

2697
01:29:54,790 --> 01:29:50,800
out

2698
01:29:58,070 --> 01:29:54,800
with uh darren evans and uh our friend

2699
01:30:00,229 --> 01:29:58,080
mary ellen golly yes i snickered zozo

2700
01:30:03,669 --> 01:30:00,239
sounds just like i don't know

2701
01:30:05,830 --> 01:30:03,679
well it's uh it you know it's

2702
01:30:06,790 --> 01:30:05,840
had to do with the ouija board oh damn

2703
01:30:09,990 --> 01:30:06,800
it

2704
01:30:13,110 --> 01:30:10,000
excellent book

2705
01:30:15,030 --> 01:30:13,120
uh this this gentleman darren his

2706
01:30:18,070 --> 01:30:15,040
encounters

2707
01:30:21,110 --> 01:30:18,080
were quite interesting uh in fact

2708
01:30:22,070 --> 01:30:21,120
his his story was on ghost avengers as

2709
01:30:27,430 --> 01:30:22,080
well

2710
01:30:30,709 --> 01:30:28,950
excellent so next week we'll be having

2711
01:30:35,270 --> 01:30:30,719
those two on the program to talk about

2712
01:30:36,950 --> 01:30:35,280
zozo um but a quick programming note

2713
01:30:39,590 --> 01:30:36,960
folks you can listen to us live each

2714
01:30:41,590 --> 01:30:39,600
every week here on uh spreaker spreaker

2715
01:30:43,830 --> 01:30:41,600
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2716
01:30:45,830 --> 01:30:43,840
uh i'm going to try to get all our past

2717
01:30:47,189 --> 01:30:45,840
shows uploaded to podbean and stitcher

2718
01:30:48,709 --> 01:30:47,199
there was a disconnect for a little

2719
01:30:50,950 --> 01:30:48,719
while

2720
01:30:52,950 --> 01:30:50,960
so if you can't listen live we'll have

2721
01:30:54,390 --> 01:30:52,960
all the archived shows

2722
01:30:56,229 --> 01:30:54,400
loaded up here in the next couple weeks

2723
01:30:57,350 --> 01:30:56,239
so stick around with us always a little

2724
01:30:59,110 --> 01:30:57,360
bit editing and everything else that

2725
01:31:00,550 --> 01:30:59,120
needs to go along with it

2726
01:31:01,990 --> 01:31:00,560
we provide you with this show each and

2727
01:31:03,270 --> 01:31:02,000
every week free of charge just because

2728
01:31:05,669 --> 01:31:03,280
we love you

2729
01:31:07,030 --> 01:31:05,679
and uh we it is a labor of love so just

2730
01:31:09,030 --> 01:31:07,040
keep that in mind it's not always

2731
01:31:12,470 --> 01:31:09,040
perfect but we do do our best

2732
01:31:14,310 --> 01:31:12,480
to bring you continual entertainment uh

2733
01:31:15,669 --> 01:31:14,320
and factual encounters i think that's

2734
01:31:17,750 --> 01:31:15,679
the one thing we pride ourselves

2735
01:31:19,189 --> 01:31:17,760
on is the ability to talk about these

2736
01:31:20,790 --> 01:31:19,199
great phenomena each and every week

2737
01:31:21,669 --> 01:31:20,800
bringing you some of the best experts in

2738
01:31:23,510 --> 01:31:21,679
the field

2739
01:31:24,870 --> 01:31:23,520
as well as some of the best storytellers

2740
01:31:26,950 --> 01:31:24,880
in the field so

2741
01:31:28,790 --> 01:31:26,960
uh i've got no more to say on that

2742
01:31:29,990 --> 01:31:28,800
tonight it's been a great show always a

2743
01:31:31,590 --> 01:31:30,000
pleasure to have dw on the

2744
01:31:33,030 --> 01:31:31,600
program thanks for our folks in the chat

2745
01:31:36,950 --> 01:31:33,040
room dell

2746
01:31:37,669 --> 01:31:36,960
marcos uh junior uh the lovely shannon

2747
01:31:39,350 --> 01:31:37,679
legrow

2748
01:31:41,270 --> 01:31:39,360
and uh everyone else that joins us

2749
01:31:42,870 --> 01:31:41,280
weekly we're so glad you come in and

2750
01:31:44,709 --> 01:31:42,880
chat with us so there is a live chat

2751
01:31:46,950 --> 01:31:44,719
during the show

2752
01:31:48,550 --> 01:31:46,960
other than that again folks thanks for

2753
01:31:49,270 --> 01:31:48,560
joining us tonight butch thanks for

2754
01:31:51,510 --> 01:31:49,280
joining us

2755
01:31:53,590 --> 01:31:51,520
lon a pleasure as always we'll catch you